Most of them like the way things are. At least I thinkā¦ Donāt let Moontears thread paint the picture the most of them are unsatisfied.
Think most of them really appreciated the change that came to the void elves. And their high elf rp I think
Oh - I see every High elf fan who wants it as a playable race as rabid dogs, and they should just be ignored. Their threads should be removed immediately.
I only see one. And one guy dissatisfied. And not many others who posts on their high elves or Rp characters there.
I get the impression that you do?
No.
Iāll correct myself and say that every helf fan that wants an actual high elf race to be added can buzz off. 
People liking high elves Iāve no problems with.
The fight to get the high elves even this muchā¦ has been a staggering uphill battle for over a decade you see. So I only want us to appreciate what we already got.
It took Blizzard massive willpower and change. Years even to get us this much.
Now is not the time to appear unappreciative.
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How Blizzard shouldāve done to begin with in Vanilla with faction racesā¦
Horde
Orc
Ogre
Tauren
Troll
Alliance
Human
Dwarf
Gnome
High elf
Forsaken and Night elf not playable (Ever), but Neutral factions you simply worked with.
Nice and all
But this is still a Vulpera appreciation thread
The hate speach and other discussions, like other races, High Elves and Horde, etc have their own, so donāt derail this one!
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I think what Havi means is the quest implementation.
In the Alliance version of the quest the player helps the 7th Legion ādiscourageā the vulpera by burning down their caravans and driving them off.
In the Horde version they burn down their caravans, torture the ones that fall into captivity and burn them alive.
There is a small distinction between the two method of approach, and although the second part may look outlandish for the Alliance it actually is not that far away from imaginable for them (see the actions of the Silver Covenant during the purge of Dalaran where they were also torturing and killing Blood Elf civilians).
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And the Captain Peake guy in the Barrens, that kicked an orc prisoner blind.
OT: Vulpera has one of the best casting and running animations in the game.
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I love their running animation. If you look closely at them from the front they kind of squint back and make a >:] face while they run itās adorable
Have to clear the Horde propaganda.
The Silver Covenant are a force of High Elves. While they might be āfriendsā to the Alliance. The Alliance is not responsible for High Elves despite the assistance High Elves have provided in Alliance military efforts like the few that ended up in SI7 because the High Elves are not a member of the Alliance.
Some have been arguing for High Elf membership for a long time now.
Look at the Ogres. They came with the Horde through the Dark Portal. Have participated in Horde operations like Swamp of Sorrows. But Ogres are not members of the Horde.
Jaina Proudmoore a student of a neutral city Dalaran. Leading a neutral city of Theramore is friendly to the Alliance but non necessarily Alliance. As the Kul Tirans withdrew their membership of the Alliance after Jaina sold out her dad for peace with the Horde.
So technically there were no Alliance presence in the once neutral city that the Horde violated its neutrality. With the events some call the āpurge of Dalaranā.
This can easily be explained. Since their schism the High Elves and Blood Elves have a rivalry / hatred against each other. So the High Elves aided a very power Mage to arrest the Horde in Dalaran and pacify those that took up arms.
Horde propaganda will always paint the Alliance in the least favourable way.
But the Alliance does not burn people alive. We are not the Horde. That is Horde tactics like what they done at Teldrassil.
Cautious vigilant eyes of the Alliance will continue to observe the Vulpera to see if and how Horde influence shapes the Vulpera.
Kiroās bunch and the Vulpera as a whole.
The alliance bias is so strong.
That are members and part of the alliance.
Except that they are.
Theyāre already members.
Stonemaul from Dustwallow is.
Jaina is, and always has been, alliance. She was however diplomatic and tried to bring peace. But claiming that Theramore was Neutral is a lie - considering she actively helped and aided the Northwatch (who, you guessed it, are members of the alliance and Theramore).
Thatās literally the lore name of it.
The High elves.
Killed*, you do it as an alliance player - how do I know? Done the quests.
Just like your Alliance propaganda is trying to make the Alliance more favourable than it is.
Looks at alliance invasion of Volādun from BFA
Hmmmā¦ looks at Volādun again
Iāve fixed it for you.
Yeah - sure buddy.
How was it when you guys arrested and imprisoned Princess Talanji on her way to meet the Horde, despite her not being Horde affiliated?
Your knowledge and understand of alliance lore is pathetic, and itās so extremely biased as well. Iāve played both sides for 12-13 years, and Iāve seen it all. But you seem to think that if youāve played Horde - youāre Horde biased.
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Sorry for the long derailment again.
OT: Dolly and Dot is a neat song.
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Clearly you are a Horde infiltrator.
Incorrect. The Silver Covenant was / is a force of the Kirin Tor on Dalaran.
They did get involved with operations against the Thunder King in Pandaria. However outside of rumours of the āAlliance Championā there are no records of Alliance presences in the operations of the Silver Covenant.
This is simply rivalries between High Elves and Blood Elves. Something that is public information.
Even the most Hardcore Horde person can find the 7 year old forums some 3 year olds where people are STILL arguing for the High Elves to become members of the Alliance.
Incorrect. The now (girl) Admiral Jaina Proudmoore accepted Alliance membership with the return of the Kul Tirans as part of the Alliance.
Prior to that she was a friendly Kul Tiran.
Trying to blame the Alliance for the actions of Jaina Proudmoore is no different to trying to blame the Alliance for the actions of High Exarch Yrel of alternate Draenor.
Theramore was a test for IF there could be peace. Jaina sold her father to the Horde only for the Horde to blow up Theramore. Theramore was a failed test.
Simply search something like: High Elves within the Alliance. Then you will come across the multiple threads that argue for High Elf membership within the Alliance.
Ogres are not Horde. Despite Ogre participation in Horde operations.
It is a similar situation with the High Elves. Stop the lies.
Rumours of the Alliance Champion have so many accounts that it is very difficult to verify. Was the alleged Alliance Champion male or female? what race class or spec was this Alliance champion?
Jaina Proudmoore gave choices to the Blood Elves that those that do not take up Arms will not be harmed. Those who chose to take up arms were pacified. The others were placed in the violet hold.
Explanations are not propaganda.
Exactly. The Alliance is not the Horde. We donāt burn people alive. Horde atrocities are well known. Such as the Attack on Brennadam. A defenceless village that was not part of the war. Horde launched unprovoked attacks and turned defenceless people into target practice having children watch the corpse of their parent hanging on the wall of their building.
More Horde propaganda then?
The Vulpera sided with a hostile superpower. Turning their caravans into a legitimate military target. Many of the Alliance are in the business of killing Horde. But we respect the peace. A peace that the Horde broken when they chose to start the 4th war.
Nothing was fixed. Just lies from Horde infiltrators.
You are moving the goalposts.
Princess Talanji was part of a diplomatic incident that would have been resolved in time. Trolls are known to be hostile to the Alliance. There was also the history of the Zandalari Trolls under Zhul that ressurected Lei Shen the Thunder King that required Alliance champions to put him down.
Now that the Horde interfered caused a prison break and set fires. The diplomatic situation could not be resolved. This lead to unprovoked attacks by the Zandalari navy against a fleet of Alliance ships. Naturally the Alliance had to answer this unprovoked attacked and put down Troll King Rhastakhan and the Zandalari navy.
You spread more lies again and again.
Under King Rhastakhan the Zandalari Trolls were NOT a member of the Horde. So no such affiliation existed. Under Queen Talanji the Zandalari Trolls became a member of the Horde.
Horde people like yourself will try to rewrite history.
As for the Vulpera.
If it is only Kiroās caravan. Then there could still be means to reason to the Vulpera as a whole. Through the restoration of the Sethrak Loa Sethraliss. To terraform Voldun back to the lush jungle like area that it was rumoured to be.
The Zandalari Troll civil war between the Zhul faction and Rhastakhan faction demonstrated that the powers of the loa can be stolen or possibly transferred. There might not be enough believers to feed power to Sethraliss but this could be a threat to the Loa of the Zandalari.
If the Horde corrupts the Vulpera that followed Kiro is another matter to be addressed.
He is no true Horde. Just like the rest of the furries he will be purged from the faction with fire and blood.
I am a true Horde patriot. The last one maybe even. Everyone else has submitted to alliance bias.
They represent the alliance in Dalaran. That is a fact. Vereesa is their leader and has supported the blue team in every faction war so far.
Jaina also has always supported the alliance and was not neutral. She invaded the Barrens the minute Garrosh came into power.
Void elves are high elves and can look normal. We do not need another seperate elf race.
All Ogre Clans should be part of the Horde again just like it was in the second war.
Just because Bob betrayed his people and let the thing go doesnāt mean the rest of the blood elves have to do this. Jaina must pay for her crimes one day.
I played the alliance version. You killed alot of Sunreavers and their mounts so they canāt escape.
The only propaganda here comes from you.
But you did. In this case the Vulpera.
Stormsong Valley was the main point of ship building in Kul Tiras. Attacking it was of important strategic value.
They accepted willing help when faced with extinction by the Sethrak. That is not a crime. Your imperialism is ugly indeed.
The Alliance broke the peace first when Genn tried to assassinate Sylvanas in Stormheim.
You kidnapped her and tried to kill her even when sending your ships after her. All the Zandalari did here was to protect the heir of the kingdom.
My mate the only one spreading lies here is you.
They were allies already. The pledge of Talanji after the battle was just a formality.
All Volādun Vulpera joined us. We see some of them on the Dragon Isles even.
So Havi and Erevien are the same person? sigh.
As the newest allied race to the Horde they have yet to make their contributions. It could be supplies and logistics or something.
Incorrect. You openly speak about killing the Horde leadership that would leave the Horde scattered - leaderless and without organisation and direction.
Ogres do not have Horde membership regardless of Ogres participation in Horde military offensives.
High Elves do not have Alliance membership regardless of High Elf participation in Alliance military offensives.
Some voices still speak for Alliance membership with in the Alliance.
the ONLY Alliance presence during the events that have been called the āpurge of Dalaranā was the Alliance champion. However reports are not clear.
Jaina Proudmoore actually interfered with Alliance operations of the Blood Elves rejoining the Alliance. As talks were already taken place between High King Varian Wrynn and Lothermar Theron.
The Alliance is not responsible for the actions of Jaina Proudmoore. Just as the Alliance is not responsible for the actions of High Exarch Yrel.
Then go to those multiple threads. Some of them are close to 10 years old now.
Who is Bob?
A Blood Elf speaking of Retribution. What about what the Blood Elves done to the Naaru called Muuru? Like the vampiric SanLayn the Blood Elves being magic junkies fed on Muuru until there was nothing left. Now use parts of his corpse to power your Sunwell as Prophet Velen cleaned it up for you.
You speak of the multiple conflicting reports of the Alliance champion that was RUMOURED to be present at the āpurge of Dalaranā.
Is this āAlliance Championā male or female? what race and class is he or she?
Incorrect. After the Alliance targetted Vulpera caravans. Put down hostile Vulpera. But the Alliance donāt burn people alive. We are not the Horde.
Incorrect. The civilians of Brennadam were just living their lives until the Horde came to butcher them. The Horde have a long history of attacking defenceless civilians. The Horde find pleasure in torturing those that canāt defend themselves and made sport of their deaths.
While the Horde has a history of interference in other peoples conflicts. Tauren vs Centaur / Dark Spear vs Gurubashi Troll rivalries.
Reports show that there were different factions of Sethrak the Faithless and those that want to restore their loa Sethraliss.
Vulpera done more than give assistance to the Horde but actively took up arms against the Alliance. Forcing the Alliance to treat them as a threat and military target.
Greymane still seeks retribution for the Forsaken killing his son - his people and then covering his nation in Blight.
Stop preending that Sylvannas is not a war criminal.
Incorrect. It was a diplomatic situation that would have been resolved had the Horde not interefered.
Zandalari attacked a Alliance fleet. So the Zandalari was taught the lesson that attacking a global superpower has consequences.
Incorrect once again. Only under Talanji was the Zandalari Trolls a member of the Horde. Stop trying to rewrite history.
Horde operations within Zandalar does not make the Zandalari Trolls a part of the Horde.
We will see how the Horde influences the Vulpera.
no just no yuck
Vulpera are desert critters with no use. Mecha gnomes are masterful engineers with their own techno city. It is easy to see which allied race is better.
Because they are traitors who sold us out to their alliance masters when they signed the peace treaty. Removing them from power is public duty for the faction.
Three clans are part of us. The rest will follow soon.
Yes they are. Jaina is an official alliance leader. That means whatever she does falls back on you.
I did. Blizzard gave in two times already but for Moontear it is not enough.
Lorāthemar. I refuse to use his real name since he doesenāt have my respect.
Kaelāthas was supposed to lead us to glory but the entire blood elf story was hijacked by Velen.
Anything to say on this?
We help people in need whenever we se oppression. We are just that nice 
Which the Horde helped too. So Vorrik owes us his loyalty.
Donāt worry Sylvanas will return soon and then we finish what she started.
She is a hero indeed.
Who was chasing Talanji trying to sink her ship and kill her. So the Zandalari acted in self defense.
Watch the raid teaser. Rastakhan already said with the Horde at their side they can defeat anyone.
They wonāt. Together with Tauren and Pandaren they will be kicked out.
I thought you said you would stop responding to me?
Vulpera are well known for moving things around via their caravans. So if they have the maps and learn the territories. Then that is transport and logistics. Without supplies some places become indefensible. So it could become a problem especially should Vulpera become skilled at escaping Alliance patrols.
Some might believe you to be an Alliance double agent. Seeing as the damage you would inflict in the Horde will leave the Horde much weaker.
No not really.
This is the problem with you. Jaina Proudmoore was always a Kul iran that went to Dalaran to learn magecraft. When she became the defacto ruler of the Kul Tiran people and they rejoined the Alliance. Only then did she become part of the Alliance.
You refuse to accept that it was only under Talanji did the Zandalari Trolls become part of the Horde.
You would probably blame the Alliance for the actions of High Exarch Yrel as well.
prophet Velen saw the Blood Elves for what they are. A race of magic junkies. What you done to Muuru you will do to other Naaru given the chance. So since Muuru is dead and gone anyway. Why not use his remains to purify your Sunwell. Keep a consistent supply for the race of magic junkies.
The High Elves did not walk your path.
Well it is no different to holding a sword or gun to ensure that there will be no more resistence. The Alliance was still at War with the Horde. So during times of war Vulpera intereference in Alliance operations had to be dealt with.
Trying to make the Horde seem like good guys. That is amusing.
Not true. Voldun became the desert that it is now because of the loss of Sethraliss. The fact that Voldun is still a desert and not terraformed into the lush forest it was rumoured to be is evidence that Sethraliss has not been restored.
Your language is telling of the Horde. To something to enslave them to the Horde.
With how bad the WoW writing has been lately they might make Sylvannas Empress of the Maw or something.
Incorrect. Horde interference and arson meant that the diplomatic situation could not really be resolved. An Alliance fleet was attempting to resolve this mess as the Zandalari while not a part of the Horde were not yet confirmed to be hostile.
Unprovoked attacks are not self defence.
Using the Horde is not the same as joining and being under the submission of the Horde.
Sounds like wishful thinking on your part.
The Vulpera are here to stay. Might as well welcome your new furrys brothers and sisters of the Horde.