It is about time that we all Warlcok users should know Bliz dont care about Warlock class and it is time to re-roll… for me after 13 year playing Warlock…
thanks Bliz.
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As I’ve said before in another thread; perfect time to reroll. Already lvling a Warrior and a DK.
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Its funny because I can get Blizzard sometimes when they think they know better, but with Warlock? Literaly all criticism I see on lock forums are from players with constructive opinions, identifiying whats wrong and often providing their own alternatives.
I don’t know why Blizzard would think Demo and Destro are alright or can afford to say they have no idea what to change.
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Warlocks were demoted from Meta to viable (raids) and complete trash (m+) going from Legion into BfA, and NOW you’re thinking about rerolling? Weird point of time.
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Better late than never.
i could stand on one expansion when my class suxxx but i cnat stand two expansions in row simple as this.
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Hey there friend,
- Warlocks will always be meta, they are meta now and will always be meta, why; because they are a 3 ranged dps only class, there will always be one of the specs that’s good at something. ( The only way they ever wouldn’t be is if they did a start of bfa shaman and gutted all the damage).
- I kinda doubt you have any insight into the question if you think people want their classes altered solely for the purpose of being meta (read: overpowered) in certain content.
- You aren’t wrong that there were and will be many flavor of the month re-rollers, who in Legion were playing affli because they were absolutely overpowered in all content (like DH is now), but I imagine most of those players have swapped to said class or fire mage by now.
- final and main point, if you strip away the azerite gear, essences, and corruption gear, you fall back to a base class, much like how we went from legion to bfa. During that transition locks noticed the same problem, especially affli, 50% of both its flavor/gameplay and damage was the artifact, another 25% came from their legendaries.
What people want here is to not have blizzard fall in that trap once more, the reason Warlocks are strong in raids atm is all that bonus gear. the reason they can be fun from time to time is the free infernals, the huge haste buffs, the satisfaction of getting 10 stack havoc and blasting a target away, the fun of attaining a 600%+ tyrant, but when we fall back to the base specs, we get back to a mundane spec. that spec might still be meta if it deals a lot of damage in certain fights, but that’s not what I care about, there will always be a class that is the best; i want to have fun playing this class, this fantasy, this theme.
I want blizzard to either, take from the forums to better the class, or stop this notion that 2/3 lock specs are good as is.
(also as a side note, i don’t think they went far enough with the affli changes, making it more dot management is good, but it should be able to be more complex, for a higher reward)
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If blizzard looked at the forums then Deathbolt and Darkglare wouldn’t even be in the Alpha anymore. And they’re STILL there. Together with that first talent row that is a complete failure by itself. Unbelievable lol
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Destro warlock’s… man they slapped us with the “D” right in the face… there is no hype anymore for SL after i saw destro changes…
This, we will come crashing hard down if some serious QoL changes are not made, like having any damage outside tyrant or making an actual good working target swap spell for tyrant.
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Where are these posts about removing Darkglare and Deathbolt? I would like to read why the want to remove them.
What do you mean? Have you been reading the forums? 99% of complaints and suggestions wanted these removed. Why? Cause it’s utter bs that Aff suddenly plays around a 3min CD.
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Can’t agree more.
Hey, I was wondering if any of you can give me next week’s lottery numbers?
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Please bring back the Affliction from Legion! Why blizzard can not understand this?
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Affli in legion was broken and overpowered peace of tauren crap, self-healing was good, but that was it about affli. It is the same like destro in BFA - spec is crap, but damage that it could unleash is just stupidly broken. Affli in legion and Destro in BFA is good because of numbers, but not because spec was designed good, and had good gameplay desing.
Right now in shadowlands warlocks looks broken and weird.
First, how many spells are shared between specs?
How many of these spells is well implemented in gameplay of each spec.
If we see 6 second cast time on all our demons, then where is soul burn, or any other mechanic that allowed warlocks and demo especialy summon demons quicker?
- Where is shared Infernal between specs?
- Where is summon doom guard?
- Where is soul-fire for all specs?
- where is unpruning for our demons? Succubus for example was on par of if not better ST damage dealer then felguard.
- Where is unpruning of abilities of our demons? Like legion strike healing reduction returning to good old days of 20% of healing reduction? Where is rewamp of whiplash with knockback effects?
- Where is the stamina buff of our imp? - Blood pack.
- Where is revert of dark pact to the pre Legion/BFA design when warlock sacrificed demon’s health and not his/hers.
- Where is Life tap?
- Where is unpruning of grimoire of service talent?
- Where is redesign of soul strike and demonic strenght talents so they could work with all demons and not felguard alone. A reminder, before legion/BFA demo could play with any demon with zero problems for pvp/pve/dps mechanics (void is excluded for obvious reason).
- Where is update for fel imp/shivarra/observer models?
- where is dark regeneration. Reminder rogues recieved back leech poison for all specs.
List could go on…
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I try with a constructive post with some idea for affliction, demonology and destruction warlock
All spec
-reduce Unending Resolve CD
-burning rush: use 5/10% health to have a sprint for X sec.
-demon armor baseline
-soul conduit baseline
-merge curse of tongue and curse of weakness in one curse
Affliction
-remove death bolt
-remove darkglare
-drain soul baseline
-nightfall baseline, an “istant” drain soul damage (X istant damage)
-shadow embrace baseline
-syphon life istant with CD and good damage and great healing back, like maut trinket Or give back dark regeneration
-malefic rapture change name in “shadow explosion”, use 1-3 shard like hand of guldan
-new talent for PVP: suppression, channeling with CD, stun the target like elemental lazo and give back life, usable at max 10 range. The target kneels before the caster and become unconscious. Or give back MOP’s Howl of Terror, istant, 45 sec cd, every damage you take reduce cd by 1 sec.
-dark soul: misery change name in “soul harvest”, you deal more damage and health back with an HOT
Demonology
-call felhunter baseline
-more damage single target
-dreadlash baseline
-demonic strenght change in demon wrath or similar, for all pet and not only felguard
-call felhunter baseline
-call felhunter baseline 
-remove soul strike and give back fel flame, 2 charge with 12 sec cd, deal moderate shadowflame damage istant and give back soul shard
-grimoire felguard: reduce CD
-give wild imp swarm, istant
-call felhunter baseline
-wild imp now deal double damage in half time (no more 20 wild imps - imps mother)
-give “call of the pit lord”, an istant ability with CD similar to DK frost breath of sindragosa, 3 min CD, 5 soul shard. Every attack can reduce the CD by up X sec. Deal great damage in a front cone, and can hit up to 5 frontal target
Destruction
-give back burning ember instead soul shard
-change mastery: no more reduction damage
-give back ember tap to compensate lost reduction damage
-shadowburn baseline, 2 charge, give moderate damage above 20% health, deal double/triple damage under 20% health. Or give back fel flame, 2 charge, with cd AND shadowburn finisher
-grimoire of sacrifice MOP’s style, give command demon ability, flat +15% damage (not chaos bolt), health regeneration
-flashover baseline
-darkfury reduce CD and make shadowfury istant (you can choose mortal coil OR shadowfury istant)
-backlash back
-more conflagrate and incinerate damage
-conflagrate no more root the target, slow the target by 50% for 5 sec (no pvp talent)
-infernal with 2 min CD and no more increase damage chaos bolt, only regeneration burning ember
-grimoire of supremacy gone
-channel demonfire change in a powerful beam like “Essence of the Focusing Iris”
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Mage says hi.
Or some mage specs are melee?
Shieeet, came to check Warlock forums for opinions after getting frustrated with absolute failure with Rogues in SL, hoping that Affli warlock will get some love, but seems like it’s a fail as well. Feels bad.
Affli seems great? No aoe in Shadowlands so cleave will dominate anyway.