Warrior Tank - Blizz you win

WoW Classic Season of Discovery
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I would say that I’m usually not into these, I just leave posts. Normally, most people see things as if you don’t like being here, then just leave; no one needs to know you no longer want to be part of the game.

But for me, it’s not about whether I no longer want to play; I actually think most of the new things and changes we’ve seen have been fun.

But after a long discussion with myself, I’ve spent too much time and energy on a class I love and care about the fantasy behind, but after seeing how other classes have received everything that makes them better, I feel my time has been wasted. Now something new is finally coming, something we’ve all dreamed of and waited for, but everything I’ve been looking forward to now feels like a dream I no longer want to pursue because my class seems like a bigger headache. I don’t mind that other classes are better, but when you reach a point where so much work is required and you’re still the worst option, it’s just not fun.

Even though I doubt the devs even care to look at posts and feedback anymore, I still have a dream that if they ever do something like Classic+ again, they will focus more on making sure all classes are balanced and have the tools they need.

When people talk about SOD, we were talking about Seaion of Dads, which was a perfect description of what I really wanted—a simpler, not-too-difficult game where there was more room for fun and relaxation with your guildmates. Instead, we’ve now reached a point where you’re sitting in DPS gear, feeling like a fool, threat is bad, you’re not very tanky, and to make up for it, you have to farm like crazy because if you don’t have all the consumes and buffs, tanking is almost impossible.

herefore, it is with a heavy heart that phase 7 will be my last, unless drastic changes happen in the future. Also, with no signs of new things coming, it seems like SOD is probably heading toward its end. It was fun, but how I wish I had never chosen Warrior as my main. When they said they would bring other classes to its level, I never thought it would mean that I was foolish for choosing it.

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Welcome to Season of Making everyone better than warriors.

They were not joking when they announced SoD.

They made everyone OP, aside from warriors.

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I feel the same… I am on my last straws.
Every time I go into a dungeon, I see a ret paladin literally 8-10 k one shot elite dungeon mobs every pack… 2 buttons. And then imagine how I feel with my “bis naxx” toothpicks that do not even get a chance to touch them…even when I do get the chance… they get tickled slightly before ret breaks their faces. Moments like this makes me feel “demoralized”. And I aint rerolling… don’t have the time to do so.
This feeling… when no matter how hard you try pressing buttons at perfect moment, you still do not stand even close… just because it is a class that gets more love (while warriors were left in the dirt for the whole season).

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Guys, it’s good that you don’t play PvP you would be even more upset :wink:

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Pretty sure most warriors stopped doing pvp back in around p2 or p3.

Not even worth bothering anymore.

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Protwar doesn’t scale at all in Naxx. Threat-wise it is by far the worst tank now. I feel like it’s in part because of lackluster itemization ( the set has like 2% hit, low strength, 0 block value, 0 agi, 0 crit.), but also undertuned runes and coefficients.

In P6 and in other raids you can get around this by stacking set bonuses from tier 2.5 and 3-set ZG and AQ10 set. Yeah then you have 4 sec shield slam at 12 rage with +100% threat, Thunderclap without cooldown, 10 sec Shockwave.

Then you put on T3/sanc gear and your threat drops like a stone. I’m supposed to keep threat on 8 mobs with One thunderclap (6sec) and a shockwave (20 sec) against a hunter explosive trap, starfall, catswipe, 2h melee hunter gigaswing, shadowbolt volley, killshot machine gun with a one-hand 17 rage cleave that hits 2 targets? Lmao.

  1. Defiance talent needs to be 45% instead of 15%.
  2. Shield Mastery rune should make cleave hit 3 additional targets when you’re wearing 1h and shield.
  3. Shockwave rune should be 75% instead of 50% attack power.
  4. Sword and Board rune should give a big increase in shield block value (like shaman shield mastery rune) because there’s hardly any gear with block value. It’s such an important stat defensively and offensively for protwar.
  5. Vigilance should be a baseline tome you buy from vendor.
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you just wanted war to be the only playable class like in era right ?

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You are like a typical gf/wife that jumps to conclusion from a not even finished sentence ….
We are simply asking for adjustments and improvements.

And still, even with improvements and adjustments… warrior as a class will still be behind 50% of other classes.

Nobody said/asked anything about being top1 on dps (making them the only playable class).

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Good to see you are still around! Even if trolling is all you do you little b****

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idk , war in bg/nax perf decently so i guess it’s just a massive skill issue from you.

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still the same lowiq spineless basement dweller i see

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You would have known if you played the class. It is decent… on 20-30 second fights and that’s it. Outside of all cds poped… it feels like playing a moving bucket.

And… what does my skill has to do with all warriors asking for adjustments (go see US forums)? Too much to ask or you simply can’t stand the class so much?

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i Saw a warrior with 55kill 3death in warsong yesterday (and they still lost that bg)

Guess i saw the only war who can play his class.

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Why do people keep bringing pvp into what clearly is a pve post?

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Random pvp reply in a pve post, read the op again then reply again

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I sincerely apologize if my English is difficult to understand—I’m not that great at writing.

My goal is definitely not for my class to be the best or to excel at everything it does. But when a class has the potential for different roles, it would be great if it could actually fulfill those roles in a way that doesn’t lag too far behind others who play the same role.

If you don’t want to have a massive workload, you can call it a skill issue as much as you like. I’m not the best, but does that mean I can’t play? When I see people, when I run on my alt, which I don’t think does it better than what I do, but have it easier on another class. You have to admit, this is not a pleasant feeling.

For me, a good balance, if roles within the same, in this case tanks, should have a maximum difference of 5% - 10% in threat, mitigation, and self-sustain. Damage is really not something that matters to me, as long as the other things work.

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Our MT in Naxx +4 is a warrior, no aggro issues or death isuues (he calls when he wants external CD from helears if he need).
What consums? A flask and food buff?

I don’t think i understood from the OP what exactly is the issues with warrior that the other classes are better, easier, more fun ?
He wrote alot of words without saying what is the problem.

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so it seems, but then he also wrote

and while that still doesn’t quite answer your question, reading it, made me think about my own experience so far.
Between playing on 2 realms, now with another alt on 3rd and playing with diff people and guilds, i can tell you i haven’t seen a guild where ppl play casually yet treat the game with a somewhat hardcore mentality.
For more than half of SoD i played in a casual guild, but there are degrees to casual as well. While to me and other core members it meant show up to the raid and be prepared with some consumes anyone could easily get, other ppl understood by casual ultra carebear mode. So at a point it felt my patience reached a limit.

So then the other “choice” was a sweat guild and sure while s**t gets done, guild advertised as semi-hardcore(yeah sure) 1 mandatory raid/week, but required 2x raid/week at minimum and if you don’t at least raid 4x/week you are labeled as raidlogger.

Other than that i was getting a whiff of incoming burnout around bwl just from the thought that SoD was steadily derailing into retail style which i hope nobody doubts anymore since the seal mechanic.

Anyway i was looking forward to seeing phase 8 as well but losing interest quickly in this frankenstein of a game version. was hoping for a classic with made viable otherwise meme specs and it devolved into smth just a shell of classic wow with borrowed power mechanics, power creep through the roof and no balance.

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this thread, and the warriors posting in it, are giving the exact same vibes as when enh/ele shaman and ret/prot paladin players were asking for buffs to their class in vanilla classic.

is this where i tell you to put on the dinner plate shield and play second fiddle to the real classes?

hey buzzboy, get over here, i need you to offtank this mob for me for a second and eat the wing buffet/hold it until i reset my stacks, then you can go back to afking.
don’t forget to keep that battle shout and commanding shout up for me.

does this sound familiar?
that’s because this was the exact attitude shaman and paladin players were met with when they asked for their dps spec to be buffed just a tiny bit.

“put on the dress and spam flash heal”
“hey wf totem, get closer to me so i can parse”.
“no you can’t roll on that item, it should go to a useful class (like me)”.
“i’ll take your mail (and leather) item btw, its better for warrior”.

one could say, without lying, that you might have deserved what you are getting in SOD.
not so funny when the shoe is on the other foot, is it?..

the OP/gimp roles have been completely reversed, and now you are the ones who has to cope and seethe and scream into the void for blizzard to buff your underperforming class, while people like myself get to sit here and enjoy the Schadenfreude.

i hope you learned your lesson tbh.

Sidenote: warriors are able to perform if the player controlling them are good at playing it. i’ve seen warriors pulling 12k dps before seal rank 6 was out.
there is a warrior in my raid right now who is making his way up the dps meter because he studied the blade and made some changes to his rotation and build.

here is his logs:
https://sod.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/living-flame/blackkmac

try to ignore the parses (which are 20man 4hm mythic btw) and just look at the dps numbers.
on most fights he is above 15k and topping at 20k, and his lowest score was 6k (likely because he died like a nub and because its the ‘normal strat’ for 4 horsemen aka non-nuke strat) and these are all 1+ minute fights (which means your claim that its impossible to perform outside of the 30 second window is bs).
additionally, his all-star score is 853, meaning he is far from the best warrior in the world, and still pulling relatively good numbers… now imagine what the top 100 warriors look like… yeah, point proven tbh: skill issue :sunglasses:

and before you say “this is about tank warriors though”; i have also seen tank warriors who are able to hold threat and main tank, as a matter of fact one of our raids have a warrior main tanking.

so in a way, you guys at least have the potential to perform, while this was flat out not an option for shaman/paladin in vanilla, so despite how bad you think you have it, its not actually as bad as it could be.

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I honestly don’t understand what you guys are talking about, as I haven’t specified my problem? But let me try to make it very clear.

The problems I see here are not to say that other tanks might also have the same issues, I’m focusing solely on warrior tanks because that’s the class and role I’ve played.

  1. Make Threat better in TANK GEAR – right now, most warrior tanks are using 6-set T3 DPS gear. I don’t know if other tank classes do this, but this is not what I envision a warrior tank to be.
  2. Threat on AOE as a warrior is incredibly bad – we’re about to enter a new raid tier where all set bonuses give DPS more AOE damage. Already, I find it a challenge to hold aggro on more than 3 targets. When I have to tank for AOE classes (warlocks, hunters, boomkins, etc.), I suddenly need a pala/shaman to buff me, or there’s no chance I can do anything. Even on single target, it can be tough sometimes.
  3. Warriors’ snap threat is described as worse than other tanks, especially if your shield slam gets mitigated, as no tanks are currently expertise capped or whatever you want to call it.
  4. Because we have to hold threat, we have significantly less mitigation than other tanks, which means we take more damage. This makes it harder to feel tanky. Yes, some healers can heal through it, but it doesn’t change the feeling that you’re not as tanky as you would like to be, even with the good gear I personally think I have.

For those of you talking about damage: personally, I don’t care about damage. I could do 0 damage with old-fashioned sunder, but if I could hold aggro without too much trouble, I would think it’s great.

There are a lot of people saying it’s a skill issue and that people have warrior tanks in their guilds with no problems, but they’re sitting on one alt. So to you, let me put it this way: I’m not hiding, I’ve never done that, because I stand by what I say. You’re more than welcome to look through my logs; they’re there for free critique. I also inform you that I’m not the best player, but I think I’m doing well enough that within my skills, I’m reaching my potential. I don’t think I can get much better. I’m not a machine that can execute rotations and split-second decisions that quickly, so there will be mistakes in my rotation sometimes. There might also be moments where my reaction time is a bit too slow, but I’m also getting older. I will never play as well as a young person between 17-22 years old, which is also why I thought “Season of Dads” was one of the most fantastic things I’ve seen in WoW in a long time.

No, I don’t want to play Classic because I want all classes to be balanced. I understand that this is a dream that will probably never happen, but if they could just be closer to total performance within their role—let’s say a maximum difference of 5%-10%, that would be insanely great. I don’t want my class to be the best; I just like the idea of a warrior with shield and sword at the front.

But retail is too fast for me. I can’t keep up anymore. M+ and their raids have so many things going on that I get confused. But I love playing team-based boss fights, and I haven’t seen any other game that can beat WoW’s way of handling raid bosses. But if I have to sit and sweat over a rotation where I have to keep track of a long list of buffs like a Warrior has become, I lose what SoD was originally all about.

I hope I’ve answered enough of the confusion about what I think is wrong with my class and why it’s become too much for me and what I can handle in a game. Yes, I want it to be easier. Yes, I’d like it to be more noob-friendly. Yes, I want a game that doesn’t take an eternity to understand because I personally believe that would open up the game to more players, and new players would want to play a game like that.

For me, raids/bosses/teamwork should make up the majority of the difficulty in a raid, not a minigame that you need to play perfectly, requiring almost all your attention. If people want to, then go into the Warrior Discord, check the tanks’ SoD, and see what they call warriors who try to play optimally with “Forecast”. That will quickly give you an insight into how warriors feel about the direction their class is heading.

So please respect that SoD is a game in itself, and some of us want a balanced game, not a game where one class gets all the spotlight because of another version of the game.