You were wrong, In the Future ask the group if you can need.
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I wouldn’t, normally, but anything is better than an empty slot.
Where do you think I got my info from? Warcraft Tavern lists the stat priority for Destruction Warlocks as follows: Spell Hit > Spell Damage > Spell Crit > Spell Haste > Stamina > Intellect.
Both Stamina and Intellect are bottom tier when you think about it, but you don’t have a lot of options to choose from with leveling gear. Beggars can’t be choosers.
Check this in-depth guide on a great way to level. (might be a bit outdated since it was for normal classic, but I think it’s still pretty much spot on)
EDIT: wups, can’t link the guide. But google -> Dive’s Drain Tanking Guide.
You’ll see all a warlock wants is spelldmg. The rest can be used, but is nearly useless. The 3 stamina on the melee dps ring is barely useless too. Just kill Arugal and you’ll get a better version with more stamina.
When I leveled my warlock I had a ton of +shadow dmg items only. Stamina is nice to have a little bit of, but it’s useless if you drain your health up anyway or constantly fear mobs. Once again, if it has no spelldmg then you shouldn’t care about it that much.
In my opinion you should’ve passed and there shouldn’t even have been doubt about that.
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Stamina can be good for a Warlock in pvp, but in pve its pretty useless, unless you do some tanking, which is rare unless we talk banish void tactics in MC and AQ20 or the Twins where 8k Hp are recommended. STR is always useless for you.
A pally unless holy, benefits from a Stamina & Strength ring more than you do, for him it might even be an item that he can use for a couple of levels, while you would trade this item for the first green with Int.
Thats what sadly many players often ignore, how worthy is that item for me in the long run? You should always only roll for items that actually improve your main spec, but also last for a while.
You learn this at raiding. Why should a player get an item even if he might have enough points to roll for it, if its a tiny upgrade for him, while another player with less points gets a big boost?
I would advice sticking to these basic “rules” right from the start, else you might end up on many ignore lists.
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With the new jewelcrafting rings I think you could easily get a better ring and strength is best for a a number of classes, strength and stamina for a tank is even better.
I don’t think you said if it was Classic-era or Classic TBC.
Stamina = Mana for a lock though, so pretty useful for pve still.
you shouldnt roll on a STR STA ring as a class that doesnt need strength.
a warrior could technically wear cloth armor with STA too and roll on your gear if it has higher stamina than his current gear.
no. just dont do that, stick to what helps your class; gear with INT and spellpower and maybe willpower. stamina is a secondary stat that is almost on every item.
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Imagine losing a roll to a Rogue who rolled need on a ring with Int on it.
Warlock needing on item with Str is a bit wrong, I’d say.
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“But bro, int makes me level my weapon skill faster!”
Buys throwing knives
I’ve used some SFK jewelery to level 40 though.
It was an upgrade for both yes, but then you should also agree if ppl roll on items that give even 1 stat point as upgrade against ppl who have no item slot in it and it would be BiS for them from MC to Naxx. The other guy overreacted but he should have got the item if he was a class that could use Stre as especially rings with that stat are hard to find.
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Dont need on items with stats you cant use. EVER
Str is never an item for a caster. Stam is usually also not considered a caster item, but tank, then melee dps, then all others.
If you want it, ask the appropriate char if you can need. Most will say no, unless they already have it (once or twice, as unique or not)
Needing on such is reason for a kick.
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Overreaction sure, but you were absolutely in the wrong here. Feels kinda silly that you didn’t understand how much better it would be for your friend, last thing anyone needs in this game is a FRIEND hindering your progress. Needing a str ring as warlock when retri pala also needs the ring is very very selfish. IMO knowing when to share and when not to share is a important aspect of this game. Many people would call what you did ninja looting.
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He rolled a stam + strength. Warlock cant even use Strength. A warrior CAN and its primary stat for warrior.
No its not. If im in such a group and someone ninjas like that, ILL ask WHY he needed and if i suspect its a ninja action (so not someone that is new) ill remove the person from group, or ask leader to do so. Ultimately if that fails, ill leave myself. I dont want to play with such people.
The point is, you are in a group. You do what is best for the group, not for yourself. Specially if im healing my but off, bc the tank is ok, or even learning to tank or has poor gear, it is a priority to get the tank the items he needs.
Vice versa, if its a ring with intel and stam, no matter if the tank only has one ring, that is a caster item and ill follow the same principle. That is best for caster and a tank needing on that can also leave. Or i will.
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Listen, you did bad. Like very bad. The guys who said “you did right” or are trying to say that you had the “right” to roll for the item clearly are the ones who, if happened to them, will rage the same as your friend and ignore you.
U were a ninja. Ring should have gone to the pally. He overreacted though.
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Yes you were ninja looting. Strength got no use for you.
I was angry on warr who rolled on ring intellect ,stamina,spirit. Ninja looted, still sitting in my ignore list.
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Its kind of funny that after all these years we still have these discussions ;]
Also love the argument that it doesnt matter, as it is ‘low’ lvl, completely bypassing the fact people seem to think it does matter, considering the ninja actions, fights and discussions about it. It is in fact why B after many years decided to introduce a system where you dont even have an option to roll if its not your spec, etc.
I know it is tempting at times, if you have an empty slot, but you should still keep in mind that if you need on something that isnt your spec, someone else is going to do the same to you. End result is we all go about in gear that is far from optimal. And you will get a bad name aswell if you ninja. That will be a definate problem if you intend to do group content at top level in a guild.
Also, dont feel pressured into making a choice. If you are unsure, ask people and they will tell you. The roll window stays open for a pretty long time.
No hard feelings if someone genuinly doesnt know, but if they do, well… its not a nice thing to do.
Anywise, have fun guys ;]
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That ring + seal of sylvanas would keep that warrior going into the 40s most likely. Locks should never be taking that over warriors.
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Any casting class mainstat while leveling is spirit, unless you have a pockethealer so that you can lifetap infinitely
Ill say smth about that, bc i dont agree with that at all.
And i say that from the perspective of having played locks for a very long time AND playing one in vanilla, also playing 4 healers at top lvl, aswell as other classes at top lvl.
Yes, stam increasing healthpool and therefor you can tap off it. The mechanism stayed, but was nerfed in LK i think, so you regen much more and therefor have to tap a lot less.
But in Vanilla, i soon found out, regen is low, so you will be tapping dry pretty fast.
And that is a very poor mechanic. Ill get to why.
So first thing i did was to see where i could improve on regen, more efficient tapping (imp), etc, bc of the problem you are going to get.
Now, those advisory sites usually ONLY look at max output and in that sense they are most likely right. But that isnt realistic and overlooks vital things in group play.
When i am healing raids, or dgs, doesnt matter which class im with, you suddenly see why it is such a bad mechanic of locks. Because as healer you are very much focussed on raid frames. Second and third is your situational awareness, current fight mechanic, etc.
So everything seems fine looking at raid frames. Tanks always need some, so youve got that covered. Some other, usually is losing health pretty fast, a melee usually, standing at wrong side, or someone standing in fire. Then all of a sudden you see someone losing health real fast. You cannot see what that damage is and he definately needs a big heal, bc hes going to die. And while you are casting you notice it is a lock (&*^$!), meanwhile a melee is dying…
That is so awfully bad. A tank may die, bc some idiot lock decides in mid fight he is going to tap to 10%. Then a load of healers will heal the same lock, so most will be overhealing, meanwhile you wipe bc of it.
So no, not fond of that at all.
I played my lock and had a bit less output, but at least nobody died bc of me tapping. Never under 50% and even getting to 50%, dont tap fast to that, bc healers are always looking at who loses health fastest.
Another bloody awfull thing with locks tapping is:
Fight is over and groups are usually trying max speed for that group. So fight is over and im healing and have to start drinking asap. I will take somne longer than dps, bc ill be healing some, while the fight is already over, but ppl are still not filled up.
And just as thats done and i sit to drink, a lock decides he hasnt his mana filled up yet and taps deep. Now im not going to jump up and heal him full. But it is my responsibillity to keep everyone filled up healthwise, so while a tank is already pulling, i stil have to heal that silly lock. Which costs me mana, which means we may wipe bc of that stupid lock.
When the fight is over and healers sit down to drink, locks can sit down to drink aswell.
So no, that mechanic is awfull and you shouldnt even go for that (stam)
Its not in the groups interest