Was I wrong to roll Need?

Most already answered the question. But no one really talked about your attitude.
You are playing with your friend and made him so mad, that he rage quitted and ignored you. This sounds like a big attitude problem, that you come here to us and ask if you were right to find confirmation.

In leveling, gear does matter and so does it not. 2-3 Stamina on a ring doesn’t matter for you. It’s better than nothing, but it’s not better to make a friend mad for this.
If you talk about the blue ring(7str/3sta) dropping from baron, my warrior was still using it until around 40. And it was a PvP twink, with epics and blues from the current level and I still used this ring, because it just had good stats and perfect stat destribution is hard to find on rings, maybe not as hard anymore with more options in the AH.
But… for you. It’s better than nothing, but let me tell you. It is much easier for you to find another ring to fill your empty slot. Or even with your current ring, how difficult is it, to find ANY other ring with 3 stamina or more.

Let’s talk about this:

You definitely didn’t go in detail with the reasons WHY those stats are ranked like that, so you shouldn’t talk like you informed yourself. I took a second and scrolled down to read their reasoning why stamina is better. It’s a raid setting and their reasoning is for you almost completely irrelevant.

The description why intelligent is bad is also just saying, that most crit comes from spellcrit (which you probably never find while leveling) and lifetap is more effective than the mana gain from int.
This is irrelevant for you at leveling for a warlock. They rate stamina just so high to give healers more time to heal them up while raid encounter, while also downranking intelligence for the sake of spellcrit and lifetap as manasource, which also explains why SPIRIT, which is an absolute AMAZING Stat for leveling, is not even listed… I would really stop blindly following your stat prio without understanding the reasoning behind it and then go in on an argument for why you have a valid reason to roll on an item, that is clearly better for someone else.

But lets talk about stats priorities and why I think you should go back to your friend and tell him, that you stop being selfish and start thinking.

DPS Warrior in a raid setting would put str over agi or crit over hit. But leveling BiS stats would probably be Str>Stamina>Agi. In leveling, you are actively taking hits and as a warrior without any ranged attack or selfsustain, his hitpoints limit the duration of a fight. Also, taking more damage as warrior increase the potential rage they can generate, which is not a small part in his rage generation during a fight, just because their rage generation from autoattacks is so horrible at low level/bad equipment.

Strength gives 2 attackpower per Point for a paladin and warrior.
A rogue for example gets only one attackpower.
Strength is basically a worse version of agility for a rogue, while agility grants no attackpower for both pala and warrior, just crit and mitigation.
And if there is a friend playing a retri/prot paladin or a warrior, I wouldn’t even roll on the ring with Str/Stam even if the slot is empty.
If a class can get the DOUBLE effect of a stat, it’s already not worth it for me to take it, just to fill a slot. There are enough items that drop over the levelphase and this one ring slot is just filled by you with SOMETHING.
You basically just recieved a few HP points, which most likely won’t even matter in most Scenarios, because your paladin friend or your pet tanks.
So why do you think you have the same need on the item as the person you call A FRIEND?
It’s called NEED, not “I have an open spot on my desk and I put a random sock from my
drawer on it, so it’s not empty anymore.”

I would understand a random stranger, even if I wouldn’t even do it to them, if they are nice. But a person I know? A person I am leveling with, that I am interested in being better geared, so we both have an easier time leveling?
I really recommend you to work on your attitude. It is not a good thing to go into an argument with your friend or pretty much anyone you want to play with.

Items are just an ingame product, but it doesn’t change the ingame relationship people have. Especially, don’t argue with people about any game knowledge, you are not familiar with yourself. You talk about a stat priority for max level 70 raiding and start the “gearingprogress” with a level 21 ring… There is just something wrong.
Stamina is also 2nd to last on this priority list. So from all viable stats, stamina is the 2nd worst. WL will be the only class besides tanks, that actually will show stamina as a valid stat(RAIDSETTING), just because they can convert life into mana which will be converted into dps.
Stamina is also only viable to life tap more often, not better. The amount of Life you lose and mana you gain doesn’t change in TBC with extra Stamina.
This is a lot more interesting for a healer that heals you than for yourself.
If you lifetap with a low HP pool, your % loss of HP seem more dangerous, than the lifeloss of a lifetap with double the HP.
Having more stamina is just to give healers more time to heal you up.
That said, your paladin was tanking anyway, so a healer would appreciate the extra stamina on a tank probably more than on a warlock that lifetaps once in a while.

So… your reasoning why you think you are a valid need roller is already build on misinformation and lack of knowledge.

And no, your mindset is completely wrong here.
Anything can fill an empty slot, why do you think it has to be the very next item you find.
Replacing a slot that is already good, is much harder.
You can find replacements anywhere, with or without the ring, but he will take a while to find a replacement for that ring that you took. And I tell you that, because leveling is a learning phase. If you carry over this attitude, you won’t make friends in the long run.

So please, go back to your friend. Say sorry for ninja looting and being stubborn. And level and gear together, like it should be. Consider the needs of the player around you and people will consider your needs. There is no personal loot in classic and sometimes you have to trust in the decisions others make, the same as people have to trust your decision making. And this time, you failed.

This is one of the urban dictionary discriptions of “Classic Andy”, don’t become like that please.

Btw. you don’t have to lecture streamers anymore to fall into this category.
And keep telling others that you think you are right, when all you did was not even reading the complete stat priority guide you based your knowledge around… I just give you the benifit of a doubt, because you seem new to the game.
But Classic and also TBC is full of ressources for free and easily accessible.
And a lot more people have been and will be raiding on a high level. You will keep on running into problems with groups and other people, if you keep insisting on being right on topics you haven’t researched enough yourself.

Even if you would be right for the wrong reasons, this is still not the way to handle this. You are looking here for comfirmation that you are right, to tell your friend, that he never had a reason to be mad in the first place.
But that is not how it goes. Reading how you react and answere other peoples opinion really seem like a way to win the argument over your friend instead of learning from the situation and making up with your friend.
Seeking answeres is something completely different than seeking answeres.
It is just a game, but it’s still an RPG with real people behind it. Just be a better person instead of being right.

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The mishmash of armor types is because its about stats and not type of armor until Cata or when the bonus was implemented to be more beneficial wearing appropriate armortypes

If a ring dropped with +spell dmg, +spell hit and int and a bit of stamina and I rolled need and took it as a warrior tank because it had a bit of stamina, how would you feel about it?

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Hmm. Perhaps a bit of a male genitalia, mon. But ya friend will get over it.

Play nice, boys.

Yeah the warlock could buy a better ring from ah, most of the jewelcrafter rings cost like 50s

i could definitely tell you are lacking some intellect

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Good story m8. I didnt even notice it was/is his friend and indeed good of you to notice that.

About the mechanic in itself though; i wrote quite some about it above, but wasnt complete:
What people often dont realise is that the game is not about dps, it is about avoiding damage. Granted, later on there are some timed fights, so one may take a risc there, but generally a dead dps does no dps at all. So first prio imo is always avoiding damage.
But we will often get damage no matter what, even as ranged. And it is not only locks that have a mana problem. All my healers (except pala… which lasts a lot longer) will be oom pretty fast if i dont heal efficiently and wise. They all use pots and demon stones and so and i spent a lot on those.

Locks willing to LT a lot have to consider this.
It may wipe an entire raid if locks dont manage their mana well.
Guides are often about dps. They measure maximum output in a top setting under ideal circumstances. Where all 40 know well what to do and what not to do. Where all are well geared. Indeed, then there may be room for a lock to tap some more.

Ive done loads of raids in vanilla, with all classes, up to AQ40, in guilds and pugs and people (except for MC and ony) arent even allowed in if they dont have decent gear (at least t1 or better) and then a lot of fights are still so hard that healers cant squander their mana on keeping locks up that tap. Its in no way a priority to fill up locks…
Ive often seen locks tapping deep and hoping some healer (of some 10 healers) heals them full, but our orders are NOT to do so, unless the fight allows it.
Ive seen many wand after they run out of mana and health. Or die. So maybe we werent OP, but at least one of the guilds im in is pretty hard core.
Ofc on twins you have to, heck the lock there has at least 3 dedicated healers, but otherwise, no.

Is not to argue, because i agree with what you wrote. Its just how i see things.
If some guild decides to do it different, i can live with that. But its not what i experienced in vanilla.

And then this is at lvl 20 something… makes no sense at all to need on such a ring as lock.
Anywise, i hope he gets the message now.
wkr

so here’s me, i’m a warrior at level nub about to finish the last boss in WC with my caster buddy who for arguments sake will be you.

i have no shoulderpads, and i only have 1 green ring that gives +1 agi and +2 stamina.

last boss drops shoulderpads and the caster ring.
you are ecstatic.
not only did some shoulderpads and a ring on the same boss kill, but both are rare items and perfectly tailored for caster classes. it literally everything you hoped for, getting both these items means you can now move on with your character and not spend another hour and a half wiping in WC because some newb used fear on an elf who then ran to pull 2 more packs, wiping everyone for the 5th time that run.

i roll need on both, because you know something is better than nothing right.
i win both rolls, to the utter disgust and disappointment of every caster in that group.
“lol” and “omfg” are being thrown around in the chat.
you ask me “why in the world would you roll on that?!”
and i say “because my shoulder and ring slots were empty lol”

how do you respond?

idiot.

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We all make mistakes but the best that we can do about it is to apologise and repent and be forgiven and move on.

Aside from the matter at hand: getting so angry you leave and ignore over a low level item is also pretty ridiculous. It’s just a game.

Next time if a ring drops with Sta/Int we will she how you like it if a warrior roll need on it

technically everyone can roll need on everything, in that case a caster should not roll need on it, this is bad manner and i would not play again with someone who does this. even 95% of all randoms i play with would leave such a ring to me if im a STR class lol.

No as a warlock you should pass on such an item. There are always party members, like the tank, that profit way more from it.

If you ninja something in SFK, you will ninja something in high-end dungeon/raid as well.

A loot-ninja will always be a Loot ninja, does not matter where.

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Yes, you were wrong. I would classify it as ninja looting.

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Lol, spell hit for a destro lock.
That alone scream horrible guide.

Here’s the thing: Spell Damage > Spell Crit > Spell Hit > Intellect ('cos more crits) > Stamina.
At least in Vanilla and for a large part of Vanilla for the sole reason that Spell Hit is hard to come by and Critting is your bread and butter as a Destro Warlock. In fact most Warlocks just stacked +Shadow Damage gear and it was BiS for a very long time.

You’re in SFK so none of that applied to you. The few pieces of loot at those levels with Spell Damage are far and few in-between so Intellect > Stamina.

Please, do not follow guides nilly willy from big websites. They are often incorrect and at best mediocre. Find the good community Warlocks and follow their advice. Anyone could have told you stamina is absolute bottom must have for Warlocks. Just because you have life tap, does not mean stamina is good, the longer you can go without life tapping the better.

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