So, i essentially skipped all of BfA, i returned for 8.3. Throughout most of Legion i tanked/healed, never had any issues getting groups together for regular mythics or low keys. In BfA however i wanted to mix it up and main DPS, something i haven’t done for many years and now i’m trying to do some Mythic +, which is proving so unreasonably time consuming that i am most likely just gonna have to drop my DPS aspirations and go back to tanking and healing.
The character in question is ilvl 440 and i’m trying to put together a group for my own +2 keystone since joining other peoples groups is an exercise in futility unless you’ve got an ilvl over 460, cutting edge and an immaculate Raider IO score. I started a group over 45 minutes ago with what i think is a pretty resonable ilvl requirement of 415. And well, in those 45 minutes not a single soul even signed up.
Like, i get it. The rewards for a +2 ain’t that impressive, but how am i supposed to get it any higher when literally not a single player in Europe wants to do a key lower than +6 even when we’re locked inside because of a global pandemic? I can’t get a +6 straight from a regular mythic and i don’t have a full group of friends on retainer to boost my keys whenever i need it. Right now i don’t see any way to get into mythic plus as a DPS, which is a shame since that’s my favorite aspect of the game since Legion.
Was it always like this throughout Legion? If so i definitely applaud the patience of all the DPS out there in the pug world, i don’t think i have it in me. Healing and tanking certainly isn’t all sunshine and roses but i atleast get to ya know, play the game.
Hey there,
I have almost only played dps during my WoW career so I have some experience when it comes to this topic.
The answer is no, it did not take this long in Legion.
To be fair it did take quite some time in Legion aswell but not as long as it does now.
I think there are a few reasons for this.
Raider io
People want to get high raider io scores and see no point in doing a +2 since they will have to do higher later on. So they want to start with a +10 so that they don’t have to repeat the dungeon just for more score (I know you can get more score by going higher but it seems like alot of people stop at +10)
I think raider io is both good and bad.
I think it’s good because it let’s you see if someone is qualified for the dungeon you are about to run.
But I think it’s bad because people are obsessed with raider io and if you’re not 1000+ then you won’t get accepted in any group.
No tank or healer.
People know how scarce tanks and healers can be so when they look through the group finder they only sign up for the groups that already have a tank, healer or both because they don’t want to wait.
Lower item level.
In Legion you were about ilvl 900-1000 if I’m not mistaken.
That means about 2 times the ilvl we are now.
So in legion let’s say you were 910 (let’s say 910 drops from +5) then doing a +7 would give 930 which is 20 ilvl above. This feels very rewarding.
However now the ilvl only goes up by 5 per each tier so if you are 445 (let’s say 445 drops from +5) then doing a +7 would only give 455 which doesn’t feel like a big upgrade. I think this stops alot of people from doing lower m+.
These are the three reasons I can think of. Feel free to add to the list.
you are overexaggarating imo. my bf and i did plenty of lower keys the past two weeks and even now, although we dont need it, we queue up for lower keys just to mix things up.
even now, looking at the tool there are pleny of groups with lower keys with serveral members in it. keep in mind you arent the only one who has low item level and needs equip.
and yes it was as bad as that in legion as dps, especially at the end of the expansion. its always bad as dps because there are tons of dps out there and you got the choice as lead who to take in. if you want fast invites always roll tank or healer.
maybe it was just bad luck? how often did you try to form a group?
When you say that your BF and you did plenty of lower keys in the past two weeks, did you do your own keys or did you join groups?
Are you both dps?
What ilvl are you/were you?
Check out the communities section of the forums, u can find communities to run your keys in, might make it easier havent tried pugging myself so dont know how hard it is to get into groups now.
both. he started playing about two weeks ago again, so we joined all the lower keys we could get our hands on and eventually played our own and when they got too high we joined lower keys again.
no we are tank and heal.
well, he started fresh, he was around 430ish when we started? cant remember anymore to be honest. i was at item level 445ish. hes now at 460ish and im at 457.
we still run lower keys though to tweak things or so he can get to know the dungeons better.
Well that settles it then.
The OP was asking about dps.
Ofcourse you are going to get into any group you join, you are queueing as a tank and healer.
If both of you were dps I would bet that it would have been a completely different experience.
The thing with this is that you get one emissary each day and you’re not guranteed to get a piece of gear from the daily emissary. Meanwhile if you only have like 2-3 hours to play per day you can still in that time pound out several keys with guaranteed drops resulting in a way more efficient gearing process. I mean, if you’re gonna gear up just with emissaries you’ll be reaching for that 460 ilvl by the time Shadowlands is out. Emissaries are in my experience just a quick and easy little side activity that can perhaps give you a slight upgrade in a slot once a week if i’m lucky.
Well yes there are people running lower keys.
OPs question was if it was always this hard to make a group for m+ as dps.
And no it has not always been this hard.
In legion it was alot easier as a solo dps to get in to groups and make groups.
if literaly anyone can get to 455 without toughing raiding and mythic + then ofc people demand higher even for +2 - to ensure their run goes smoothly .
you can see it even in WF - the only decent groups are those with hard 450 req
I honestly feel like Raider IO is a necessary evil since Blizzard made it so that your gear no longer reflects what content you have been doing. I may be a bit “elitist” but i think that if you haven’t been raiding, you shouldn’t have raid gear. Simple as that. I really don’t think that helping 12 turtles get to the water should give you gear on par with stuff that drops in current raid content.
It’s not a perfect system but it lowers the chances of someone sneaking their way into content that is above their pay grade which is good, because when we’re participating in a group activity our personal fun isn’t all that matters and we have to take the other participants enjoyment into consideration as well. A lot of the complaints i’ve seen regarding stuff like gearscore and raider io seem to come from people who want to be carried through content they have no business being in at the moment.
You seem to have missed the point. I’m not trying to get carried through content that i shouldn’t be doing, i’m doing content that is appropriate for my personal skill and gear level and following the natural gearing progression. I think that players are more or less forced to resort to using stuff like raider io since a player’s ilvl says nothing about what they have been doing or what they can handle.
I also recommend re-reading my original post, as i’m not complaining. I’m simply asking if it was always this time consuming to find groups as a DPS. That’s not a complaint, it’s a question asked out of curiosity in good faith.
havent tried pugging myself so dont know how hard it is to get into groups now.
