Are you asking me? No I don’t have any relative with that name
This doesn’t come across as purposefully vague or bait-y at all.
It was easy enough for Gadgetzan to not only be founded at some point either before, during or after the Second War, but to be the metropolitan maze that Hearthstone depicts it as.
I felt like there was something hidden underneath the question but considering I don’t understand it anyway, it doesn’t bother me
Relax.
I thought your name and mentions of Saudi implied relation to a province there, pictured below. Bit different in spelling but that’s pretty normal with Arabic word translation.
Bukayriyah… my home.
Oh…. You said are you related to Bukaryiah I thought that was a person or something.
No im not from there. My family was originally from the center Sudayr. Later on moved to the gulf.
Not to mention the high elf expedition to Winterspring 100 years ago.
We have no idea how hard the founding of Gadgetzan was though. We have lore stating that there was a heavy fog shrouding the continent, and that there was still some travel to the said continent, see gadgetzan and high elves revisiting the continent etc, but the continent itself was largerly forgotten among the human kingdoms.
It’s not contradictory.
The Gadgetzan episode Alannyse is talking about is specifically human sailors visiting it, and it’s not made out to be a huge discovery at all. It’s just something human sailors did with Greydon and his brother being far from the first to discover the goblin town.
Which is why I said largely forgotten, and yes I’m aware that they were humans. In the book called the last guardian, Kalimdor is referred to as an old legend in Lordaeron too.
It would not be crazy to say that a few sailors managed to land, we’ve had sailors in our own history claiming to land in mythical lands etc. And many times it’s not presented as a big deal.
My character’s parents are both wastewanders from the warcraft 3 era. just to be on the safe side.
this is the plan i ended up sticking with anyway
If it was particularly rough, we probably would have heard of it. Knowing goblins they probably just picked the location and blew up a town-in-a-box.
It’s actually pretty contradictory, because as Telaryn said.
You cannot have a continent that is both a mystical land lost to time, shrouded in deep mists to prevent prying eyes from discovering it and also have that continent be home to ports that are regularly visited. It wouldn’t be out of the question that Kul Tirans often visited this land considering their navy scoured the seas both far and wide.
It’s also even weirder for this land to be an old legend when there are probably high / blood / void elves alive today whose parents and grandparents were amongst the exiles who first made landfall in Lordaeron.
It has always been a massive deal when sailors made landfall on a previously undiscovered continent. This would be best comparable to when the Americas were (re-)discovered in the 1400s. They didn’t just claim to have landed in mythical lands, they could have easily returned home with proof. Or settled, like goblins and even ogres did.
But we don’t though, and thus we can’t know.
The mists are canon though, they’re mentioned in lore from before traveler and after.
Sure it’s possible and we’ve seen humans visit before as seen in traveler. But we don’t know the frequence of visits.
It is what it is, but the lore clearly states that at least in Lordaeron and Dalaran that Kalimdor is an old legend. And we already know the high elves still knew how to visit kalimdor due to them doing so roughly a hundred years before the black portal. Why they didn’t share this knowledge with the humans we can’t know.
Sure many times there’s been a big deal, but many other times when discovering unknown lands it hasn’t been a big deal, there’s been plenty of islands that were discovered and then not visited again until decades or even centuries later. There’s also been so-called mythical lands that sailors claimed to visit like for example Brasil (the mythological island, not country), sometimes several times. There’s a reason that we call things hard to believe or something farfetched as “a sailor’s tale”.
Hence why both ideas are equally valid, but knowing goblins, they probably made it rougher for themselves.
Before Traveller had the mists be a lot more like that of Pandaria, which was nigh-on impenetrable.
Often enough for it to be a casual thing people did.
And there is no way for Kalimdor to be an old legend.
Or did they tell the humans which is why sailors visiting Gadgetzan wasn’t a big deal?
This massive continent would be a pretty big deal. Most of those claimed lands were pretty big deals. We know Kalimdor was even settled, so it wasn’t something that was forgotten to believe.
Which by definition is something that can only be proven by evidence and seeing it for yourself. Like that massive continent to the west people casually visit.
We do. Many times over the decades to the point Charnas considered Greydon a personal friend due to the high frequency of his visits to his bookshop in Gadgetzan.
Greydon sailed several times over the decades since Second War to Gadgetzan just to visit a bookshop, and this is made out to be a perfectly normal thing for a human to do.
…Neither of this means that it is common knowledge in humanity though… We have literal lore that Kalimdor is an old legend, and that a pair of humans visited it regularly does not mean that it was widely known at the time.
I can’t believe two random humans from Lakeshire discovered a new continent and decided to keep that information to themselves alone despite repeatedly visiting it
I can’t believe that two random humans didn’t have the means to spread the words of their travel to the entire human world.
If you two would bring me a source outside of these two humans visiting it or mentioning that kalimdor was common knowledge among the humans then feel free.
Very old lore in a setting written by people that have a very hard time not contradicting themselves.
A pair of humans sailing on human ships that often visited Kalimdor and travelled to Gadgetzan, which mind you, before the Cataclysm was in the middle of Tanaris. It wasn’t odd for a human to dock in Kalimdor and travel deep into the deserts of Tanaris.
All while the largest navy in the entirety of Azeroth, which belonged to humanity, scoured the seas. Arguably Kul Tiras also knew of Kalimdor considering Daughter of the Seas refers to Kalimdor with a certain familiarity by calling it distant shores as opposed to forgotten shores.