04/11/2018 07:48Posted by
Uruk 04/11/2018 06:10Posted by
Durlan Do people still not Understand that the Tyrande where are you?
Was just Xavius using Malfurion's voice?
You first heard him actually speak in the Dungeon where he does nothing but pester the Shade.
It's like people purposely ignore this fact or are just dumb. I mean, even if the quest isn't blatantly obvious about Malfurion being an illusion, the dungeon where he ridicules, taunts and teases Xavius while being his prisoner should be more than enough of a proof.
Just like how Night Elf fanboys constantly ignore that Anduin is doing his best to help his allies and stop the mad Banshee, and just downright claim that Anduin doesn't care one bit about the Night Elves and should go die under a rock?
I just want to say tnx to Ion Hazzikostas. NE are not tree hugging hippies, just like you said. This cinematic was the best!
This owl made my cry!
For Kaldorei! For Teldrassil! For Elune! Warriors of the night assemble!
Sylvanas we are coming for you!
And we are ready for you!!!!
GOOD SAVE THE QUEEN!!!!
GOOD SAVE THE QUEEN!!!!
Lol I thought it was a writing mistake but it's probably not...actually Anduin and Saurfang (the good guys) could help Sylvanas saving herself from the Old God influence eventually...
04/11/2018 09:16Posted by
Arctur Just like how Night Elf fanboys constantly ignore that Anduin is doing his best to help his allies and stop the mad Banshee
We don't ignore that he's doing his best. We are painfully aware of the fact that his best is not nearly enough of what Alliance needs. I see that in "honor lost" he recognize himself that (to both Genn and Saurfang ).
04/11/2018 09:49Posted by
Ciptzt We don't ignore that he's doing his best. We are painfully aware of the fact that his best is not nearly enough of what Alliance needs. I see that in "honor lost" he recognize himself that (to both Genn and Saurfang ).
You missed the entire point of the cinematic. Anduin is an idealist, he thinks that he can save everyone, and Greymane wakes him up by making him realize that war is a nightmare, that he cannot save everyone, and that he did his best with the tools he was given.
Too bad that Night Elf fanboys can't understand that Anduin isn't perfect and that their waifu Tyrandumb isn't any better.
04/11/2018 10:02Posted by
Arctur Anduin is an idealist, he thinks that he can save everyone
I know that. I know that he tries to save hordies from Sylvanas (even if most of them does not want that) at the expense of his soldiers.
04/11/2018 10:02Posted by
Arctur and Greymane wakes him up by making him realize that war is a nightmare, that he cannot save everyone, and that he did his best with the tools he was given.
That wake up call should have happened after the burning of Teldrassil. The fact that he insisted to attack Undercity without preparations and with wrong tools shows us that he is not prepared to lead an army to a war.
He did not did his best with the tools he was given.
I know that Blizzard devs are going to "Cool before anything" but so far he is portrayed as an idiotic general.
04/11/2018 10:02Posted by
Arctur Too bad that Night Elf fanboys can't understand that Anduin isn't perfect and that their waifu Tyrandumb isn't any better.
I don't say that Tyrande and Malfurion are portrayed better.
That wake up call should have happened after the burning of Teldrassil.
Likewise, I could very well say that Tyrande and Malfurion should have started acting all serious
before the Burning of Teldrassil.
The fact that he insisted to attack Undercity without preparations and with wrong tools shows us that he is not prepared to lead an army to a war.
Let's be real please, Anduin is stated to be wise beyond his years. You don't need to be wise to realize that if you invade the Undercity, you need some form of protection against the Blight. But if Anduin had countered Sylvanas' last desperate strategy, there wouldn't have been any Battle for Azeroth in the first place. This isn't a case of Anduin having been stupid in-universe as much as it is a case of the writers DUMBING DOWN the character so that Sylvanas' flawed plan could succeed.
Just like the SI:7. The most elite spy organization on the planet, that gets played like fools by the Horde. It appears that Human characters are so intelligent that the writers had to dumb down their intellect so that this war could even start. Why am I not surprised?
I know that Blizzard devs are going to "Cool before anything" but so far he is portrayed as an idiotic general.
And Tyrande is any better? Sending her people right into a trap with no care about the massive casualties that would ensue like she did in Pandaria? Going off to fight the Horde over a charred wasteland at the edge of the world?
04/11/2018 10:31Posted by
Arctur Going off to fight the Horde over a charred wasteland at the edge of the world?
It's called home.
You should be familiar with that definition, considering how you keep harping on about SW or Boralus. Talk about applying different measuring sticks when it suits you, eh?
04/11/2018 10:51Posted by
Arctur why Auberdine was their only settlement found there before the Cataclysm?
Lor'danel, Ameth Aran, Ruins of Mathystra, Grove of the Ancients, Auberdine, even Highborne ruins of which Nazj'vel is the largest are part of the heritage of Darkshore. Not just Auberdine.
04/11/2018 10:51Posted by
Arctur THEY PLAYED LIKE A TEAM.
As did the Night Elves and the Tauren in WotA. So what is your point? That teamwork is good? Well, I would agree with that anytime. But not, if a team serves just the interest of one particular party.
But what are we arguing. Anduin (cinematic) himself declares that he ''failed the Night Elves'', i.e. SW failed his allies. 'nuff said, right?
04/11/2018 11:08Posted by
Leafie But not, if a team serves just the interest of one particular party.
Given how pretty much everyone agrees with Anduin's brilliant plan to wage war on the Zandalari, he is serving the interests of the entire Alliance, while Tyrande and Greymane are serving only their own selfish desires, going off to fight the Horde at the edge of Kalimdor while the rest of the Alliance is bent on bringing the Zandalari to their knees.
Tyrande and Greymane are the tiny minority.
04/11/2018 11:08Posted by
Leafie But what are we arguing. Anduin (cinematic) himself declares that he ''failed the Night Elves'', i.e. SW failed his allies. 'nuff said, right?
Anduin is an idealist who thinks that he can save everyone, when he clearly cannot, because in war thousands of innocents will die, it is inevitable. Just because Anduin said that he failed the Darnassian people, doesn't mean that he actually failed them. You don't really think that the in-universe statement of a character equals to the meta statement of an omniscient narrator, do you?
Given how pretty much everyone agrees with Anduin's brilliant plan to wage war on the Zandalari
Actually that was a stupid idea. Using a Nazmir diversion to make sure they can destroy the fleet, that was a good idea. But attacking the city wasn't very smart. More Alliance soldiers dead, and for what? To make sure that Zandalari (with all troll tribes who are there) will want revenge?
04/11/2018 11:11Posted by
Arctur Anduin is an idealist
If you think, millions of people died because of idealists ...
04/11/2018 11:11Posted by
Arctur Just because Anduin said that he failed the Darnassian people, doesn't mean that he actually failed them.
He failed them. The NE acknowledged him as high king. So they were his subjects. And they died and lost their homelands on his watch.
while Tyrande and Greymane are serving only their own selfish desires
The Nelves and the Worgens supported SW often enough. Now, they try to regain their homes, because none of their allies is interested. What is so difficult to understand here?
Had SW, Elwynn Forest, Redridge been burnt down instead, SW would expect their allies to forfeit all other interests and see to regaing that territory first and foremost. So, why these double standards?
Tyrande and Greymane are the tiny minority.
Well, then it doesn't matter anyway, does it? Seeing they don't count ^^
04/11/2018 11:31Posted by
Arctur Tyrande's litte charade
Fighting the Horde is now ''a little charade'', is it?
By engaging the Horde's forces on Darkshore (and maybe later in Ashenvale), the Night Elves are doing the Alliance - as a whole - a favour,
too. Eliminating the Horde at this point in time (i.e. while we are still at war) is serving the Alliance.
Let us just assume the Night Elves do, indeed, take down Nathanos. That would be a fatal blow to Sylvanas, since her most trusted commander of troops is no longer available for the future planning of her war. I trust, you see my point?
04/11/2018 12:00Posted by
Leafie Fighting the Horde is now ''a little charade'', is it?
The next raid is nothing more than a little charade as well. I don't aid the overweight.
We don't kill the heir to the Zandalari throne, then the raid is an epic fail and just like Sylvanas when she attacks the Night Elves...this only forces the Zandalari ever closer to the Horde and to unify against the Alliance as a whole. Doesn't crush them...the death of Rastakhan only inspires them to fight on under the rule of Queen Talanji.
04/11/2018 12:00Posted by
Leafie Fighting the Horde is now ''a little charade'', is it?
Compared to the chaos going in Zandalar? Yes, the skirmish in part of Darkshore is just a little charade.
04/11/2018 12:00Posted by
Leafie By engaging the Horde's forces on Darkshore (and maybe later in Ashenvale), the Night Elves are doing the Alliance - as a whole - a favour, too. Eliminating the Horde at this point in time (i.e. while we are still at war) is serving the Alliance.
Retaking Darkshore and Ashenvale will do nothing (especially since Sylvanas could easily retaliate given how close Orgrimmar is), the problem is the Golden Fleet in Dazar'alor. The entire point of the Alliance War Campaign is to sever the ties between Sylvanas and the Zandalari because the Alliance knows that the Horde would have dominion over the high seas if they had the Zandalari Golden Fleet at their disposal.
Whereas there is nothing in Darkshore that demands a full-blown invasion, it is a wasteland, ravaged by the Cataclysm and the Horde, and the few resources left are already harvested by the Bilgewater Goblins. If Tyrande had been smarter, she would have gone for Feralas (full of resources waiting to be harvested, not under the Horde's sphere of control).
04/11/2018 12:00Posted by
Leafie Let us just assume the Night Elves do, indeed, take down Nathanos. That would be a fatal blow to Sylvanas, since her most trusted commander of troops is no longer available for the future planning of her war.
Not really, Tyrande might be stupid enough to forget to burn Nathanos' body, which means that he could easily be resurrected in the future by Sylvanas. Otherwise, with the rising powers of Sylvanas in the field of Necromancy, it wouldn't surprise me if she found a way to bring people back directly from the Shadowlands, by binding their spirits to construct, similar to what the Draenei would do in Auchindoun.
Of course, all of this is meaningless since Nathanos survives.
Furthermore, the reverse is also possible. What if Tyrande and Malfurion happened to fall into an ambush and die? The remaining Kaldorei would be leaderless, and the Horde would have absolute control over Northern Kalimdor.
In the end, if Tyrande and Malfurion are not roflstomped as soon as they land in Darkshore, is because the Horde is occupied with the threat that Anduin poses to the Golden Fleet. Sylvanas is clearly too busy with other fronts to care about Darkshore. But if there was no Alliance invasion of Dazar'alor, then Sylvanas and the rest of the Horde could easily focus on Tyrande and teach that prick a lesson in humility.
Come, Night Elves.
We will hold Darkshore for the Horde.
We will hold Darkshore for the Horde.
Knowing Blizzard, and how they treat Horde, their child, I am almost sure you will.
We will hold Darkshore for the Horde.
Dont you mean for Sylvanas?
But yeah, I like the cinematic too.
Its back to WC3, where the Night elves were a force to be reckoned with, strong warriors who were very territorial.
I have no idea where the image of "Night elves are tree hugging hippies" came from, but surely not from the Warcraft universe...
04/11/2018 13:57Posted by
Ciptzt We will hold Darkshore for the Horde.
Knowing Blizzard, and how they treat Horde, their child, I am almost sure you will.
Only question is, does real Horde need this land, and does real Horde members want's to fight against those who just want to take their Home back.
Only question is, does real Horde need this land, and does real Horde members want's to fight against those who just want to take their Home back
If anyone should know how it feels to lose your home, your family, everything, it should be the original horde races.
Hell, even the Bloodelves should know better than to rob people of their homes just out of spite...
The only ones who would actualyl defend the decision of Sylvanas to take their Homeland away from the Nightelvbes are the Forsaken. For every other Horde race, this should remind them way to much of what happene dto them in the past.
I mean lets look at them:
Orcs: Enslaved by demons and forced to be their army of invasion, then left alone on a planet that isnt even their own, with no place to live...
Tauren: Nearly faced extinction by the Hand of Centaurs, until Thrall offered them help and they managed to find a new home
Trolls: Their home Island sank into the sea
Blood elves: Lost all when Arthas destroyed their Coity and the Sunwell
Goblins: Their Island was completly destroyed during the Cataclysm and their "leader" was willing to let everyone drown who could pay him
And we are supposed to belive that these races would try to take another races home away from them?