We are coming for you!

04/11/2018 12:59Posted by Todrazok
Come, Night Elves.

We will hold Darkshore for the Horde.


You might want to lose actually, otherwise the Forsaken will never get Lordaeron back for balance...

04/11/2018 14:10Posted by Xemeron
And we are supposed to belive that these races would try to take another races home away from them?


Exactly because almost all of the Horde races suffered great losses at some point of their history, it's the reason they are less emphatetic to the pain and defeat of the others. All of them are battle-hardened at this point, and if they want to conquer a land they will take it from their inhabitants with not many moral qualms about it. If anything those belong to the Alliance, for example right after they kill Rastakhan, Anduin immediately regrets the attack on the Zandalari, and Jaina too in a way. Also Anduin who doesn't really want to fight the Horde, but only to stop Sylvanas.
04/11/2018 06:10Posted by Durlan
Do people still not Understand that the Tyrande where are you?
Was just Xavius using Malfurion's voice?

You first heard him actually speak in the Dungeon where he does nothing but pester the Shade.


Malfurion the greatest Druid to walk Azeroth, chosen of Ysera, powerless in front of a shade of Xavius who is defeated by 5 nobodies in a dungeon, ridiculed by the same Xavius who has him trapped and keeps him alive as bait...

I remember all of it, and it stinks down to the roots, and this questline is the epitome of how Blizzard has been depicting NE since 2004.

My trust is long gone. If they are planning to change this and finally give night elves some dignity back, good! I will believe it when I see the whole story. So far I see a lot of smoke and the NE being irrelevant as always.
04/11/2018 14:27Posted by Melien
Malfurion the greatest Druid to walk Azeroth, chosen of Ysera, powerless in front of a shade of Xavius who is defeated by 5 nobodies in a dungeon, ridiculed by the same Xavius who has him trapped and keeps him alive as bait...

I remember all of it, and it stinks down to the roots, and this questline is the epitome of how Blizzard has been depicting NE since 2004.

My trust is long gone. If they are planning to change this and finally give night elves some dignity back, good! I will believe it when I see the whole story. So far I see a lot of smoke and the NE being irrelevant as always.


Meh, when you look at the current Horde Story, the mighty Loa of the Zandalari get killed by Enemys that later fall to a 5 man group...

So basically, the player character is stronger than godlike beings...
04/11/2018 12:04Posted by Tánariá
04/11/2018 12:00Posted by Leafie
Fighting the Horde is now ''a little charade'', is it?


The next raid is nothing more than a little charade as well. I don't aid the overweight.

We don't kill the heir to the Zandalari throne, then the raid is an epic fail and just like Sylvanas when she attacks the Night Elves...this only forces the Zandalari ever closer to the Horde and to unify against the Alliance as a whole. Doesn't crush them...the death of Rastakhan only inspires them to fight on under the rule of Queen Talanji.


Anduin did send you to capture the Troll King, not murder him in cold blood!
Jaina sabotaged the whole plan!

Anduin's intent was likely to get the Troll king to him so that he may convince him to not support sylvanas.

But well he send a butch of murder people what did he expect?
04/11/2018 14:32Posted by Durlan
Anduin did send you to capture the Troll King, not murder him in cold blood!
Jaina sabotaged the whole plan!


Doesn't she feel sad that he's dead though? And she said that the Alliance shouldn't press their advantage immediately after his death while the Zandalari are still grieving...it's probably more the fault of Genn....
04/11/2018 14:31Posted by Xemeron

Meh, when you look at the current Horde Story, the mighty Loa of the Zandalari get killed by Enemys that later fall to a 5 man group...

So basically, the player character is stronger than godlike beings...


Except that the mighty LOA of the Zandalary is not the leader of one of the major factions that has being ridiculed for 14 years....
04/11/2018 14:40Posted by Melien
Except that the mighty LOA of the Zandalary is not the leader of one of the major factions that has being ridiculed for 14 years....


Jsut saying: The Player characters are most likely more powerfull than any otehr being. And at least your leaders get a chance to redeem themself.
Our either disapear or get killed of.
04/11/2018 14:45Posted by Xemeron
04/11/2018 14:40Posted by Melien
Except that the mighty LOA of the Zandalary is not the leader of one of the major factions that has being ridiculed for 14 years....


Jsut saying: The Player characters are most likely more powerfull than any otehr being. And at least your leaders get a chance to redeem themself.
Our either disapear or get killed of.


Malfurion is by all means and in lore the most powerful druid ever hence more powerful then any player character druid...

So far I have seen no redemption, just the usual bone we get to distract us while the focus is on the lich queen, the old warrior, the furry uncle and the boy king.

I reserve judgement.
Malfurion cheerishes life, I bet even for revenge he doesn't really like to kill enemy people, don't expect to see him go on a killing spree against the Horde anytime soon.

If anything that should be the role of Tyrande but even in her case it's iffy, looking at recent developments.. maybe...just maybe, if the Night Warrior ritual has put her and hers warriors in a bloodlust addiction so that they can't now stop to kill people, sorta like DKs.
04/11/2018 14:59Posted by Sylvianna
Malfurion cheerishes life, I bet even for revenge he doesn't really like to kill enemy people, don't expect to see him go on a killing spree against the Horde anytime soon.

If anything that should be the role of Tyrande but even in her case it's iffy, looking at recent developments.. maybe...just maybe, if the Night Warrior ritual has put her and hers warriors in a bloodlust addiction so that they can't now stop to kill people, sorta like DKs.


No-one want Malfurion and Tyrande to be evil, we would settle for not powerless and not stupid.

They should singularly be able to wipe the floor with Nathanos any day of the year even without the night warrior ritual and they are stopped and mocked by him even with combined forces. Legion and MoP have left a bitter taste for us NE and I expect nothing from this charade tbh.
04/11/2018 14:10Posted by Xemeron
Tauren: Nearly faced extinction by the Hand of Centaurs, until Thrall offered them help and they managed to find a new homeTrolls: Their home Island sank into the sea


Further to your argument, Tauren and Troll druids are part of the Cenarion Circle and its Expedition.

If Blizzard's lore writing would be top notch, there would be loud voices of dissent among the Tauren (HM included, since they are new to the Horde and the Night Elves were among those that helped them, too). Baine might even have turned his back on Sylvanas the moment Saurfang turned his back on her Horde. But nothing … so far.
04/11/2018 14:32Posted by Durlan
04/11/2018 12:04Posted by Tánariá
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The next raid is nothing more than a little charade as well. I don't aid the overweight.

We don't kill the heir to the Zandalari throne, then the raid is an epic fail and just like Sylvanas when she attacks the Night Elves...this only forces the Zandalari ever closer to the Horde and to unify against the Alliance as a whole. Doesn't crush them...the death of Rastakhan only inspires them to fight on under the rule of Queen Talanji.


Anduin did send you to capture the Troll King, not murder him in cold blood!
Jaina sabotaged the whole plan!

Anduin's intent was likely to get the Troll king to him so that he may convince him to not support sylvanas.

But well he send a butch of murder people what did he expect?


Well that settles it then.

This is just like the Horde assault on the Night Elves. Attacking needlessly, but one nutter takes it too far and now the race/s in question (Night Elves and Zandalari) haven't had their spirits crushed or their hope gone...it's only made them angry at the opposing faction and more determined than ever.
04/11/2018 14:20Posted by Sylvianna
04/11/2018 12:59Posted by Todrazok
Come, Night Elves.

We will hold Darkshore for the Horde.


You might want to lose actually, otherwise the Forsaken will never get Lordaeron back for balance...

04/11/2018 14:10Posted by Xemeron
And we are supposed to belive that these races would try to take another races home away from them?


Exactly because almost all of the Horde races suffered great losses at some point of their history, it's the reason they are less emphatetic to the pain and defeat of the others. All of them are battle-hardened at this point, and if they want to conquer a land they will take it from their inhabitants with not many moral qualms about it. If anything those belong to the Alliance, for example right after they kill Rastakhan, Anduin immediately regrets the attack on the Zandalari, and Jaina too in a way. Also Anduin who doesn't really want to fight the Horde, but only to stop Sylvanas.


I have no problems with losing Lordaeron actually. The Siege of Lordaeron would be meaningless if we just get it back in a patch or two.
04/11/2018 12:59Posted by Todrazok
Come, Night Elves.

We will hold Darkshore for the Horde.


For sylvanas*
04/11/2018 15:08Posted by Melien
Malfurion and Tyrande to be evil, we would settle for not powerless and not stupid.


Looks like that ship passed away. They are stupid.
What guerilla fighter announce his presence to the enemy?
Yes, the clip is cool, but it's all it is.

04/11/2018 18:57Posted by Todrazok
The Siege of Lordaeron would be meaningless if we just get it back in a patch or two.

The siege of Lordaeron was made to destroy Alliance's army (Alliance is not any more the only superpower on Azeroth) and to introduce Jaina. Of course Horde will get lands back. I am not sure if Alliance will.
04/11/2018 19:23Posted by Ciptzt
Of course Horde will get lands back. I am not sure if Alliance will.


The Forsaken will get lands back because of their 12 inch plot armor and the fact that one of the lead Horde story creators is a HUGE Nathanos fan.
04/11/2018 14:04Posted by Xemeron
Its back to WC3, where the Night elves were a force to be reckoned with, strong warriors who were very territorial.

I have no idea where the image of "Night elves are tree hugging hippies" came from, but surely not from the Warcraft universe...


The Sentinels, and Night Elf military in general, were always a force to be reckoned with and never really stopped being one until Blizzard gave them their pre-BfA wedgie out of nowhere.

The rest of Night Elf society, however, has always been full of immortals who used their endless lives to perfect themselves and their arts and crafts. The Priestesses and poets and philosophers made this peaceful, gentle society in harmony with nature, while the Sentinels were the ring of iron around it, protecting it from the world so it was free to create beauty.

I love that image of the Kaldorei, and I really hope they don't ruin it by trying to pander to honkers who can't understand the difference between military and civilian.
All i can think of after seeing this is 'It must be really awkward to be a Horde Druid right about now...."
04/11/2018 20:26Posted by Nyzrok
All i can think of after seeing this is 'It must be really awkward to be a Horde Druid right about now...."


Loti sure seems uncomfortable killing elves.

Oh wait
04/11/2018 14:53Posted by Melien
Malfurion is by all means and in lore the most powerful druid ever hence more powerful then any player character druid...


You don't think he looks powerful in that video?

04/11/2018 14:59Posted by Sylvianna
Malfurion cheerishes life, I bet even for revenge he doesn't really like to kill enemy people, don't expect to see him go on a killing spree against the Horde anytime soon.


Well...I mean, That's exactly what he -does- in the clip that this thread is about. I mean he's not hugging those Horde, he is savaging them, tearing at them and on one occasion burying a screaming Orc -Alive-.
I mean that is literally a killing spree. Don't get me wrong, he has damned good reason, and it was good seeing that side of him, but he was not being peaceable! He spares the kodo because, well, it is an animal, its not really to blame, and the one Troll to send message to the Horde that the Kaldorei are back and kicking backside, which is a tried and tested method to break enemy morale.

I mean just revisit that...He buries an Orc -alive-! That is not a pleasant way to go, he's going to have screamed and screamed, fighting for breath, but all that enters his lungs are the clods of soil and earth, he won't even be able to crawl to safety, his limbs embedded and entombed in the earth, able to do nothing but choke out his last few moments in utter silent darkness.

He came to take Kaldorei soil, and he got his share of Kaldorei soil alright..a poetic if horrific death.

I really don't think Malfurion is in a forgiving mood right now...

04/11/2018 18:57Posted by Todrazok
I have no problems with losing Lordaeron actually. The Siege of Lordaeron would be meaningless if we just get it back in a patch or two.


Yeah, absolutely. I can understand the ending of the Siege of Orgrimmar, that was Varian playing it smart, but Lordaeron should stay lost for a good while.

04/11/2018 19:20Posted by Telriem
For sylvanas*


Watch the cinematic again.

What guerilla fighter announce his presence to the enemy? Yes, the clip is cool, but it's all it is.


Ermm, Countless ones through history? Sparing one sole foe to carry back word is an ancient tactic, it is actually more damaging psychologically than killing them all. Wipe them all out, and the enemies High Command can just go "Oh, yeah, that supply column, we needed the supplies elsewhere, they were sent to Zoram'gar, nothing to worry about, business as usual". Even if -they- know it is a lie, they can bluff it out and their troops will be "oh, OK".

When a lone, unarmed panicked survivor comes hurtling into camp, gabbling about things striking from the dark, killing you all, without a single blow being landed in return, and how you only survived because it -let- you survive, then -that- has a far greater impact, and is harder to cover up.

Its classic guerilla warfare tactics, a large part of which is psychological warfare. That's not Malfurion being -stupid-, that's Malfurion being -smart-.

04/11/2018 19:23Posted by Ciptzt
The siege of Lordaeron was made to destroy Alliance's army (Alliance is not any more the only superpower on Azeroth)


Think you'll find Anduin actually states the Alliance lost a lot of troops at Broken Shores, meaning that the Horde and Alliance were already roughly even before the Siege of Lordaeron. I mean that is kind of the -point- of this whole expansion, both sides desperately trying to force/cajole/persuade new Allies to join them, to make up their depleted armies.

04/11/2018 19:23Posted by Ciptzt
and to introduce Jaina.


Ah yes, Jaina ex Machina, who needs armies when you have Jaina and her magical spooky ghost ships with magic cannons. How many Alliance flying ships with magic guns is that again?

04/11/2018 19:23Posted by Ciptzt
Of course Horde will get lands back. I am not sure if Alliance will.


Ermm...you do know the Alliance already -has- gotten lands back and the Horde has not, right? The Night Elves BTFO the Horde into small pockets in Darkshore and Ashenvale. The Horde has not done the same in Lordaeron, instead the Battlefronts show the Alliance -gaining- territory. Given the location of future Battlefronts this is likely to increase, with Mulgore, Quel'thalas and Bilgewater Harbour coming under threat.

04/11/2018 19:37Posted by Tánariá
The Forsaken will get lands back because of their 12 inch plot armor and the fact that one of the lead Horde story creators is a HUGE Nathanos fan.


Well they don't seem to have so far, and as for plot armour, which Faction is it whose leader we know survives into very old age? Begins with an 'A', Who has just started writing as a plot Developer for Blizzard? Female author, you must have heard of her, has two signature characters she favours, Anduin and Jaina. She likes Baine, but only when he is being nice to Anduin or Jaina….

Must be nice to have that.

04/11/2018 20:26Posted by Nyzrok
All i can think of after seeing this is 'It must be really awkward to be a Horde Druid right about now...."


Not really. The Kaldorei have done a neat line in avoiding caring or acting over any Druidic tragedies that effect the Tauren or Trolls, so, only fair they return the favour. Lets be fair, people only pull this 'Druidic' card when the Night Elves are getting hit with the stick. Where were the Kaldorei when the Troll Druids needed help with the Echo Isles? (A problem that lest we forget, was caused by the Naga, who were the Night Elves fault) Where were they when The Quillboar were a problem? Where were they when Thunder Bluff was attacked by Grimtotem?

They pull the Druidic card when it suits them, but don't really care about anyone else apart from that. I'm not complaining about that as such, selfishness and isolationist policies seem to be a very 'Elf' thing, for all Elves in the setting, Night, High or Blood, but it is weird to see people going "Yeah, the Tauren and Trolls should be angry about the destruction of Teldrassil, an -abominable- crime against Nature that Malfurion himself opposed, an example of one person forcing their Will on Nature"

How does that work?

Teldrassil was not a 'sacred' thing to the Druids. It was a direct violation of what they stand for.