TWW doesn’t feel fillery imo, not the way DF did
The only story beat from DF that was relevant for the future of the story was titan morality and likely the prison that the primals were held in and I doubt the rest will matter in any substantial way atleast. So far TWW has been lore reveal after lore reveal and I’m pretty sure that the crystallized worldsoul essence is going to be a lot more plot relevant then the dragonflights getting their weapon enchants back.
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Very well put, I even forgot about Graymanes as another transparent attempt to do the exact thing they do all the time, Talanji being one of the first in BFA. I have a very bad memory but the impression of a forced narrative that isn’t even trying to be subtle still accumulates over the years of pandering, nonsense plotlines, and it leaves a strong impression even if I forget 80% of the previous examples.
When was the last time a stubborn, older female leader was replaced with a competent, masculine character who isn’t preoccupied with academic and emotional pursuits like Andruin and Dagran? Where is the new Arthas, the new Varian, Thrall, where is Malfurion from WC3 who wasn’t playing second fiddle to Tyrande (both replaced with Shandris) and is extremely powerful and handles stuff on his own.
I haven’t cared about a single character in years because they are all written to be LAME and preoccupied with reforming their stuck-up societes (ruined by men) in an emotionally mature way instead of being active characters who make stuff happen like another example who has been away ever since the game stopped being good, Illidan.
Not a, and I quote:
That’d be the one example that I could think of, yes.
But the ONLY one. If you have a problem with one character in a whole cast full of characters, you’re either singling out this character for nefarious reasons or you’re just nitpicking.
And as I said: WoW is FULL of this sort of nonsense. Always has been.
So why is it a problem all of a sudden, now?!
They do since those ‘fetch some stuff and watch a little animation in a dark dusty room’ quests.
Anyway: Americans have always been very very into pushing ‘freedom’ into their ideology. So it doesn’t suprise me at all that the ‘dropping the edicts’ is a big theme for the earthen. Their whole country is founded on this ideology, after ‘their fight to escape the oppressive rule of the crown’.
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It’s not, it’s been a problem since at least BFA but it’s getting worse and worse.
You’re also singling out one example when like 5,6 were provided to prove that there is no pattern, when the quantity of examples prove that there is. It doesn’t matter if the female replacements are new characters that are just introduced or older ones that were retroactively made into infallible badasses, the pattern is the same regardless.
I just chimed in with an example to concur, in addition to what had already been said.
I don’t feel beholden to your judgement of my perception of the story or the characters.
I think they’re dumb. I gave an example of that, and others have given similar examples.
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No. It’s been going on since vanilla. Nonsensical, over-the-top, shallow storylines and NPC behaviour has always been a thing in WoW writing.
It does matter, because WORDS MATTER.
The complaint in that post was specifically ‘new young female leader characters’.
People should realize that it matters what they say.
See my above statement.
There’s a big difference between saying:
‘I don’t like shoes’
or
‘I don’t like shoes made with slave labour’
Words matter.
I don’t see anything wrong with anything I have written in this thread. At all.
Not the point.
I responded to a specific statement.
You were not.
Don’t include me then in your quoting if it’s not me you’re responding to with your words.
Now you’re just being silly. You responded to me.
But not about the specific thing I was talking about.
It’s like you making a post stating:
The air quality here is bad.
And me responding: The air on earth allows life to thrive.
My statement isn’t wrong, but it’s not relevant to what you were talking about.
That’s something I absolutely hate.
I am all for strong female characters but not like that.
Probably my favourite character in all of fiction is Ellen Ripley. That’s a good strong female character.
Where did that happen in WoW though?
And take heed of my statement a few posts up: Words matter.
You quoted and responded to: “the “strong female characters” are insufferable arrogant pricks who are proven right by the writer, thus making the unfortunate implication that you should behave like them. And they often defeat the old leader male characters in a very hateful and nasty way”
Where in WoW did that happen? How many times did it happen?
Because, yes, I agree that that is badly written and all. But how many times did that actually happen in WoW?
But didn’t he give the example of Baelgrim sacrificing himself and passing on leadership to Adelgonn, because her ways are superior, even though at no point has she demonstrated that to be the case?
And that’s the story conclusion to the first zone.
If that’s an ‘example’ then the quote is pure nonsense.
- the “strong female characters” are insufferable arrogant pricks who are proven right by the writer
- making the unfortunate implication that you should behave like them
- they often defeat the old leader male characters in a very hateful and nasty way
None of those things happened in that storyline.
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Alexstrazsa in Dragonflight where she goes to talk to the Drakonids during their uprising.
They explain to her that they don’t want to be slaves and she’s like: “That’s a perspective I hadn’t considered. Interesting.”
Obviously the way the quest is written is to infer that Alexstrazsa does not seek or desire conflict or war. Instead she opt for consolidation and diplomacy. She’s such a great leader of ALL dragons.
But when you actually play through the quest and consider the framing of it, she really just comes across as being stupid.
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Okay?
What does that have to do with the example you provided?
Or with the TWW?
Stop moving the goalposts please.
My argument stands. And nobody has provided a counter yet.
It was another example of a female character being written in a way that fit the sentiment of the criteria you put forth above.
If it’s not good enough for you, then so be it. I’m not here to convince you, I just give examples to illustrate.
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I really don’t care who does what, where and how. The “story/background” hasn’t been engaging for me at all.
Stories need to be simple and instantly understandable to be interesting and catchy. LK was great like that - it’s almost the perfect Darth Vadar style of character.
Solution if you don’t like the content they are offering? Skip it! That not good enough, then there are alternatives.
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Oh no I’d didn’t. Atleast not to my knowledge.
I was talking about that kind of writing in general
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I don’t completely recall the storyline.
But from what you provided, it doesn’t come across as anything like the quote I am referencing.
I wish people would start minding their statements and wording more.
It’s irritating, frankly.
“Greenscaled fish with clown feet is terrible.”
“Did you actually ever eat greenscaled fish with clown feet?”
“There was a fish sometime that was orange and smelled bad.”
^ That is the sort of thing I’m having to deal with and it’s frustrating.