but we keep getting complicated systems with multiple possible ways to customize our characters so why not just bring back old a la classic talent trees and get rid of all these pseudo systems we are getting? idk
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Not really there are some crap talents so you end up with cookie cuter builds outside of oh I need AOE or I need single target, they are an illusion of choice.
The old trees werenât much better o lets put 5 points in for 5 crit!!!
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One can only dream, brother.
Now is the perfect time, too, since we are back to level 60.
No idea what you are talking about, those â5 for 5â talents were fantastic, and definitely far better than anything we are offered this time around as far as Iâm concerned.
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Probably because complexity isnât the issue, just ask yourself what happens in each scenario after Shadowlands is over and you may have your answer. Also classic talents arenât complicated, just cause you click 5 times on the same icon it doesnât make the system complicated, or maybe for you it does, who knows.
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in classic/tbc/wotlk you could do hybrid specs, now you canât. You had a bit more choice.
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Nah you didnât. Yes there were some things you could do, but others you couldnât do. Specs werenât so well defined and played very similar to eachother, being hybrid didnât mean much really, a fire mage and a fire/arcane hybrid played exactly the same.
But yeah itâs easier to focus on that one thing you lost rather than the five things you gained.
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Yes, it certainly felt like you were more in control of your character when you had a talent point to âinvestâ every few levels. But youâd still pootle off to some external site to find out where to put it for best. 
At least now you can change it fairly easily if you need.
Unpopular opinion: I hated the old talent system. It was basically the same as now where you had 1-2 choice but with a more complicated way.
Its a lot faster and more user friendly system that offer almost the same amount of variety.
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I hate to break it to you but talents are an illusion of choice. They looked interesting and were a bit tougher to figure out when you just started out but ultimately there will be talents that are better than the rest and people will aim for those specific ones.
Either way talents are more complex now than they were in Classic/TBC/Wrath where they barely did anything special, and those that did have been made into baseline spells for their respective specialization (that were pretty much mandatory talents before anyway), while those that were left as talents do more for your playstyle than they ever did before.
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bring back Classic Trees
100% with
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Problem with Covenant is that after nerf hammer your class can be just a trash. This mind you will carried by friends, guild mates and you will have problems with get to any decent pug.
âmore complexâ? I think we could do the math to objectively prove you wrong on this one, but I think itâs obvious even without it.
Also spells that were made baseline were far from mandatory. Many Assassination rogues opted-out of having Vendetta, for example, yet it was made baseline. I opted-out of having Howling Blast on my One-hander Frost DK tank. Now Howling Blast was made baseline, and you cannot even be a tank as a Frost DK anymore. Iâve seen people opt-out of Titanâs Grip on their fury Warriors, and fool about with one-handers. Iâve seen resto druids opt-out of Tree form. And the list just goes on and on and on.
We lost so much customization with the new talent âtreesâ itâs honestly depressing. Hybrid specs are a thing of the past altogether. Bloody hell, 3/7s of my talents were absolutely useless as a Balance druid. So much for âmeaningful talent choicesâ.
I used to love messing around with talents, and making them my own and to suit my own playstyle. Nowadays they are so boring I just copy-paste whatever Icy-Veins tells me to and never bother with them again.
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When it comes to the âcookie cutterâ stuff, more cookies is better than less cookies. Now we only get a few cookies while before we had many tasty cookies.
When it comes to choice, being able to choose things from a different specialisation is a larger degree of choice. (priests having the option to get mana tap to help their mana from shadow while levelling)
And finally, the most important thing missing from the old talent system, Presentation!
I like new things and they should try out other systems .
Canât tell if serious lol
I am serious. And donât call me Shirley.
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I understood that reference!
And I copy-pasted talents before they reworked the system, your point is?
Old talent trees provided no real depth.
Whatâs the difference between checking which talents tree is better and which talents are better, which essence is the best? None, if you wanna perform, you just follow guides, otherwise you just take whatever the hell you wanted if you didnât care.
This being said, there is an easy middle ground to implement. Old talent tree for leveling. Once capped, all talents are unlocked and then current talent tree appears.
Old talent trees allowed you to mix and match everything from your 3 specs. This is their main advantage. It allowed for an objectively greater build diversity than what we have right now.
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