I’m not going to make a rant about people needing when their ilvl says they don’t need
Yes I know there’s a tmog button , but people don’t press it.
I know guildies are needing to trade to other guildies
Simple solution for people like me trying to gear up alts , just make LFR personal loot
Ok, but also exept queue times being longer and the average run aswell.
If I remember correctly, the first iteration of the personal loots was fine, but people got a bit annoyed with it because they weren’t able to confirm if anything was ever dropping for their class to begin with. So, this is why Blizzard decided to go ahead and create this system, so people were able to at least see what the boss was dropping.
They didn’t “went ahead”, they returned to the previous system, which was the go-to until Dragonsoul introduced LFR. Until then people were well aware that the loot dropped from the bosses killed were a team effort, everyone allowing to see and roll on everything. I’m glad we’ve returned to it.
Of course, some improvements could bemade, but in general it’s far superiour to PL, where you get stuff dropped into your pockets whether you need it or not (which is btw. just as “lost” to those “in need” as stuff now getting needed by ppl with a higher ilvl item in that slot - just saying. Simply because you couldn’t see it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen).
Over and out; btw. just the 100th thread opened about the same topic…
The simple solution isn’t LFR. It’s low M+ keys.
You can spam these endlessly, most keys up to +13 will be three-chested since many over-geared (for the key levels) players still farm crests. This will get you easily to over 470. You’ll get into normal raid PUGs at 455-460, 470 and up for HC raid pugs.
424, which you need for LFR, is good enough to get you into single digit keys. M+2 drops the same loot as LFR, and M+3 is already better: https://www.wowhead.com/guide/mythic-plus-dungeons/dragonflight-season-3/loot
New alts now have 8 catalyst charges right off the bat, so you can get the 4p set bonus super fast.
Ah sorry Naethir, I should have been detailed with that information, but you’re right.
The loot system we have now, is what was first added and then the personal loot was prior to what we’re using at the moment.
I’m not saying that PL should return, I hated it. The current system is fine and is the way it should be in my opinion.
In LFR it’s not. It’s factually not superior.
One of the things I think people don’t talk about with loot rolls v personal loot in LFR is time. Loot rolls take time, especially when people don’t press any buttons for loot from the end boss of a wing. An advantage of personal loot was that you knew right away whether or not you got loot, and could move on to the next boss or the next thing.
The big thing for me for personal loot as well is that it did reduce drama by a lot because people paid a lot less attention to what other people were getting. It gave the idea that a person’s loot was just that - their loot.
I would prefer all PuGs as well as LFR went back to PL.
I’ve actually given up trying to get anything in raids now. PL was just a better system which is why we’re not allowed it. PL respected the classes present and tailored the drops to the people killing the boss.
Even if the item finally drops from the boss that I need, I know I’m not going to get it, everyone needs regardless of whether they have it equipped or not.
It is. I got barely any useful loot during SL with PL, now I’ve geared my alts with LFR stuff in two to three weeks. Best run was seven items in one week for one character, that would have never worked with PL because that crappy system doesn’t let you roll on all the stuff dropping from the boss and just puts it in random people’s pockets.
I love the new loot rules in LFR.
I’ve gotten waaaay more loot than I did previous expansions, and I only do the raids once or a few times on my main to get the quests done.
Maybe I have been extremely lucky winning the rolls.
I do agree that the timer for rolling on loot is way too long. A lot of people just leave and don’t roll, making it take ages.
I don’t understand why you would use LFR to gear up. Doing outdoor content and upgrading that gear is so much quicker.
My issue with Group Loot in LFR is mostly that I feel a little bad whenever I win a “need” roll for something that I only want for the transmog. But the healer bags aside, that is the only reason for me to queue for LFR at all.
I initially only pressed the transmog button, but it’s quickly become apparent that everyone’s definition of “need” is individual and only loosely defined by the game, so if someone wants to get the skin of a LFR drop, the transmog button is not likely to work well.
I feel that Group Loot causes more frustration, bad feelings, and strife than Personal Loot ever did.
No, people were annoyed because with personal loot you could not trade gear, unless you had higher ilvl.
It has its pros and cons. Depends on the individual what he prioritize (thus its not factual).
As for me, kidna prefer PL for pugs, mainly because they do not force you to make certain group choices (for example not worrying for bows/guns when no hunter is in raid), but group loot is far superior for organized runs.
Best world is one where we have PL, with a choice for opt in group loot if all the raid agrees on a prompt.
In all honesty, LFR should just drop everyone a box, called “You did it!”. When opened, it does this little confetti animation and you get a random item for you from that boss.
Sure, it throws a lot of loot into the pool, but it would be a win/win. People get loot, they feel it is their loot and there is no drama.
Let us be honest, people that do LFR as their source of raiding - really don’t need the drama and feeling of “getting stolen from”. If the box could have an empty result, or “gold and AP”, then you back to PL - where people were yammering about never getting any loot, while seeing everyone else getting loot. Some wondering if the boss could drop loot for themselves at all.
So, yeah, for LFR and end of dungeon Normal to HC groupfinder, just give everyone the “You did it!” box.
Everyone is happy, and those that aren’t, they really don’t care about that content anyhow. Like myself. I just want to stop watching LFR raiders ask for PL to come back, as I hated that system as a raider and with a passion.
I repeat, and you guys please repeat, “We want the ‘I did it box’!!” Be loud enough, and you will receive it. If for no other reason to stop the yammering
Take this to twitter, win your war
Thats just your take on it and you are on the minority. The fact that there are over 100 topics on this issue,says a lot about players experience with group loot. It is simply abused ad nauseam. It is definitely not the right loot system for pugs and lfr players.
Personal loot was far superior for pugs and lfr.
100 topics from a very small percentage of the playerbase who play World of Warcraft 
There is maybe 100 to 200 people who use these forums, everyone else just plays the game, so your “FACTs” are pretty far reaches in terms of accuracy 
But personally I want PL back as default for LFR. This will stop the ninja looters who are there for transmogs, who steals an item from someone who is knew to raiding.
Exactly this.
Transmog chasers can only aim at non set pieces and the curio. If you take those away, you will get no one to boost you. Runs and queues will be longer and less sucessful.
You will just force people into their crappy alts to farm transmog instead or not queue at all. It won’t change how much gear you get. Actually… you will get less cause on crappy alts they can roll for tier tokens too. 
In short, it’s in a happy medium atm where no one is pleased but everyone has something.
Why? Because little Jimmy lost a roll? Because Andy tried to sell a useless item he had no need for?
My experience with current loot system is i get overall fewer items, but the items i get are more useful.
And the reason i get fewer items is that i dont need on things i wouldnt wear…
Now, i might be different here, but getting 1 item per wing with personal loot that just went to the vendor or get endlessly spammed with “do you need?” Or “i can pay x gold for useless item” Did not feel better in any way to me.
I’m in the minority who actually understands how the system works and doesn’t get tricked by the fact that rolls and loot drops are now simply better to see than before.
“Ninja looting” with people “rolling on transmog” or “items dropping that no one could use” happend just the same with PL - the system just put loot in people’s pockets; uncaring about whether that person already had a better item there or already had the very same item, hence giving the loot to the wrong person instead of another that could have actually used that item; and people trading away those items happend just as rarely as people now not needing on stuff. It was the same “misery”, just with even less agency. I’m always blown away by the fact how few people are actually smart enough to see that.
That’s not “Ninja looting” - Ninja looting was ever only possible with master looter, where one person could actually actively pick items at will; rolling for transmog is fair game - actually, transmog is more valuable that the item as gear; it stays forever in your collection, gear gets replaced too quickly, and LFR loot can easily be replaced by open world content or very low M+; if a person contributed to killing a boss, they have the same right on that item as everybody else; they most likely even “carried” the raid by being overgeared.
Once again - not saying the system couldn’t be improved - for example by giving a malus on future rolls every time someone needs / wins an item or giving a bonus on rolls every time someone greeds / passes on one… or giving a “transmog currency” to buy appearances that can be collected by pressing greed/pass on drops.
Well that’s been your personal experience. That doesn’t make it better overal.
I’ve had the complete opposite experience; with getting nothing for literal months, something that would have never happened with PL.
Besides, with PL there’s still the OPTION of trading it away to someone. So you’re wrong with your assessment: It could have worked like that - with a little bit more effort.
Among other things.
Also just having bad luck with rolls for weeks and weeks or even months is just very disheartening. I do not want to go back and try to win an item for ages when I know that other players could just walk away with said item if it drops.
Your ‘reasons’ are very hyperbolic. I got plenty of useful stuff back then. And I never got spammed; it was even fairly rare to get a single ‘do you need?’ whisper and I simply ignore those.
So to me PL definitely felt better. At least I wanted to try and get stuff instead of just wanting to give up (like I did with the fiery hearthstone toy - I want it, but I don’t want to roll against a whole raid every single time it happens to drop; that just feels like a complete and utter waste of my time).
Anyway, I suppose we should just agree to disagree.
I don’t like GL in LFR. Never did, never will. I don’t think it’s fun seeing some stranger win something that you need and also rolled on.