As a Horde players it’s bad but we knew it.
It happened in Vanilla/TBC it happened in Classic and it happen in TBC Classic.
Want short queues ? Don’t play the “meta faction”
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Then lets remove all racials from characters
100% UD lock right here
this would actually be a nice thing to have, when a live server had 60-70% unbalance faction a debuf would come up to prevent combat and the unbalanced faction could toggle the pvp On mode to override the debuff
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oh ill love when the “we just like the atmosphere” guys randomly are now alliance in wotlk. Not because of Human racial and shadowmeld cough
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How about NO
Horde is superior to Alliance in every factor in TBC exept BG que time, “fixing” it will kill any incentive to play Aliance and make faction imbalance even worst in feawor of the Horde
You got TBC private servers in the past that started in TBC and offered alliance extra perks like 100% more rep and badger or dualtalents for alliance only , yet they styl ended up over 75% horde
Horder is superior in TBC and long bg que is price of that superiority
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Its either short ques or higher win ratio, you cant have both.
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Then please explain why 90% of the classes that can be orcs, are playing orcs.
That is legit, check arenamate (I know it’s not classic, but it’s still wow pvp ppl).
Orc and undead racials are just amazing for pvp, tauren and belfs are good too.
Removing racials now wouldn’t neccesary fix the problem, since ppl allready have rolled their race.
But to say ppl don’t care about racials is just ignorant.
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I don’t think you’ll find a single horde player who engages in pvp who doesn’t wish queues were shorter. I’m surprised this isn’t discussed more and I haven’t been able to find a blue response on this.
Look, the original tbc was by no means perfect. Double spec doesn’t take away from the game, it adds the possiblity for raiders with limited time to farm or pvp more effectively. Mercenary mode doesn’t take away from the game, it lets both factions enjoy battlegrounds equally.
We need to @ Blizzard on twitter or whatever and get them to respond on this. These changes are direly needed!
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Ah the usual creep excuse, classic
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I don’t mind the longer queue times with the winrates I’m getting.
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It kinda does because it takes away an incentive to go ally, and therefore increasing the faction imbalance even more.
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That’s their problem.
No one forced everone who wants to do PvP to go horde because “but but but muh racials…!!!”
BGs are faction based.
Horde is known to be overrun PvP wise.
If someone ignores these facts, because he wants to reap some minor benefits from some racials, that’s entirely his choice.
Blizzard doesn’t “need to do” anything about that.
As for the playerbase: Alliance players are not required to join more BGs, just so all the horde fotm can have shorter queue times 
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No it was not the same in old Vanilla/TBC. People rolled races more due to looks back then as most people hadnt played earlier wacraft games nor didnt care that much about racials. My proof? I played Tauren Warrior 2005-2007 and the horde BG queues were at max 5 min back then. Mostly 1-3 min.
(Those of us who did play Warcraft 3 story campaigns had a flavour to roll horde in Vanilla)
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There was 30 mins queue to every BG yesterday on Horde… Imagine spending months getting to level 60 only to find out about these queues… Please Blizzard fix mercinary mode!!
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Why should they?
TBC Vanilla had no mercenary model, so there is no reason to implement it in TBCC.
It’s not Blizzards fault that PvPers flood one faction just because muh racials!
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30min queues are horrible. And this is not TBC vanilla, its TBC Classic. There are no evidence horde had to wait 30mins for a match back in vanilla either, so vague argument coming from an alliance player.
You are right, they didn’t.
I know, because I played horde back then. I had normal BG queue times.
However, the difference is: Back then people actually played what they liked lore/looks wise, instead of what some minmaxing spreadsheets demanded.
Because of that, there were many PvPers on Horde, and many PvPers on Alliance, and no one had overly long queue times.
Today, many people chose their faction and race based “who has the best racials”. And that leads to a faction imbalance when it comes to players primarily interested in PvP.
But this is not an issue Blizzard has to fix in the name of recreating the Original game. The game is not causing this issue.
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It’s definitely something that they need to fix IMO. Players shouldn’t have to stand afk around 30 minutes to wait for a queue to pop… You cannot queue outside the city or do anything since you get teleported back after the match. So at this time this is a HUGE issue for Horde players wanting to PVP.
Mecenary mode solved this issue in retail, it would in classic as well. And it’s easy to say “choices matter” when people have spent months levelling only to find out PVP is nearly impossible to do without afking more than playing.
Are you not overreacting a little bit by saying “recreating the original game” ?
If not mercenary mode, allow players to pay for a different faction then… Cus I would gladly swap to Alliance for shorter queue times, I just can’t stand levelling another character alone on a different server without my friends. YIKES
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And LFD would solve the “issue” that people have to look for mates to run dungeons with, and travel to the dungeon, both of which are also inconvenient.
Alas, the reason why we are playing this Game, instead of retail, is that we wanted to get away from precisely these “convenience features”, because as it turned out, they kinda made the game boring.
No, I do not think I am.
I am playing this game because I like how “inconvenient” it is.
I stopped playing retail because there is such a thing as too much convenience.
If someone wants convenience features: The subscription is valid for both games.
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Such a STUPID and out of touch argument right here. I am fully on board with all “inconvenient” things in classic like having to run to a dungeon, respec etc etc… But you are playing alliance and doesn’t have to wait 30min per game… And this is not how it originally was or even intended, for the majority of the players the PVP is at the moment close to unplayable.
#somechanges are there to fix obvious issues in classic, this is one of them.
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You okay bro?
Imagine being triggered by female characters in a game lmao
Also I’m sorry but this is an issue that horde players directly caused by rolling for OP PVP racials. Bet you guys didn’t care at all when you outnumbered Allies and camped them endlessly at flight points in Phase 2
If you’re horde and didn’t roll for racials - blame other horde members.
Working as intended
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