We need to do something about bg queue times in TBC

[Yuuffyy-patchwerk]

Literally talking to a wall.

[Gaahll-argent-dawn]

Just to counterfeit the very loud majority of horde players: I am against mercenary mode and so is the overwhelming majority of alliance players.

[Черница-chromie]

Intelligent streamer wouldn’t suggest deal breaker move that would solve Horde problems by eradicating need to ever roll for the Alliance.

[Черница-chromie]

He is Horde main, neither does he cares nor thinks beyond what Horde biased retail had offered. The effect would be the same insane disbalance into Horde favor. The only solution is changing of racials that is more damaging and would make Classic players quit on both sides.

[Kamenitza-gehennas]

Reading the forums in the past two weeks I have concluded few things about the horde players.

Literally every horde player chosed the faction, because of the reasons below:

1. Playing with friends.
2. Lore.
3. Animations/ skins.
4. The beautiful capital cities.
5. The horde soundtrack.
6. Everything else, but not racials, the bigger faction, metas.

I didn’t see any player that participated in the brm camping fest in P2. Something more, almost everyone have been in heavily alliance populated server and they suffered in P2.

I can understand the frustration of the queues just, because I play horde as well, but guys … seriously. It’s getting pretty funny now.

Waiting blizzard to fix the game is going to be a long time. Find your own solution if you want to play PvP THAT bad.

[Conquery-ravencrest]

@Tufz-stonespine

<10m queues.

it’s never been more than 1 min for bgs unless you queue av in my experience. AV is normally about 5 minutes. That’s how few alliance there are in comparison to horde

[Triip-argent-dawn]

@Cróws-defias-brotherhood

Correct, it’s personal and I don’t flaunt my personal life on a public forum.

You still tried to create a strawman. Shame on you.

I ask why free faction change doesnt make sense while merc does. Your reply is “link pop stats”. You seem to think that because theres more alliance on pve servers doing pve things, the faction balance is fine. And if thats your take, thats fine by me, but obviously you’ll have to sit long bg queues as a consequence. Thats how it works. Calling it a strawman and refusing to explain your argument doesnt exactly incite credibility.

@Cróws-defias-brotherhood

When I said this I was referring to the alliance players that claimed this was a punishment to all those horde players zerging alliance in wpvp back in classic for honour. Yes, I saw those early in the thread.

Then you started making up something about entitled brats, and then further down the line failing to understand it was alliance players I was talking about.

Yes, and if you read my replies you’d see that when I used the phrase I was talking about horde players demanding fast queues.

@Cróws-defias-brotherhood

Nobody, and I mean nobody, could have predicted that 15 min queues in pre patch would turn into 1 hour long queues later on.

But go ahead, you start leveling a character from scratch. Or buy a boost and go from there. Grind all the gold and mats needed to get started. See how fast it takes.
This is what you are asking from other players.

Not at all. Ive been talking about free faction change in every thread, including this one. So in this case you’re the one creating a strawman (notice how much more effective it is when you actually explain your reasoning too!).

@Cróws-defias-brotherhood

Wpvp says something about specific servers, not overall population across all servers. And well, if wpvp isn’t your cup of tea there’s pve servers.

Again, assumption doesn’t go well when reading statistics, I learned this when it comes to real world statistics. I chose to carry this lesson with me.
I accepted there’s no accurate numbers for it, perhaps you can accept that I won’t take your, or anyone else’s interpretation of it as the truth and the only truth.

And once again you’re confusing meaningless pve realm stats with pvp faction imbalance. If we need to state pvp faction imbalance everytime we talk about this issue, so be it. Cant take anything for granted on these forums lol.

So correct me if Im wrong:
Your argument as to why free faction change is bad and merc is good, is that overall population balance is somewhat even? We should give the overwhelming majority pvp faction a perk while ignoring all the other issues caused by faction imbalance on pvp servers? Instead of making a change that would simply lead to more balanced pvp servers.

[Tufz-stonespine]

I’m so jelly

[Yuuffyy-patchwerk]

55% Alliance vs 45% Horde throughout classic. Guess what? Yeah right, Alliance was FOTM in Classic and now it’s horde.

How come Alliance still had instant queues on all bgs in classic? Because I had them. Just explains how my fellow alliance players just dont want to PVP & just care about the quick rewards, which was extremely noticable in AV during Classic. Alliance was capped out so fast and Horde AV Queue Times exploded. Same thing is happening now.

You guys keep acting like the victims here when you’re clearly not.

[Werdx-stormscale]

@Yuuffyy-patchwerk

Let’s be real, even though I’m main alliance I have an horde alt character and it feels horrible for the other faction.

Queue times will be even worse for horde players, and saying “they’ve chose the more popular faction” is no solution. Nobody likes queueing 30-50minutes for a single Battleground. Are they any plans to offer faction vs. faction or mercinary mode to combat queue times?

EDIT:
Since a lot of people keep bringing up that the population disparity would be so huge resulting in these queues, the disparity is 48% A / 52% H. Horde players literally get punished because a lot of alliance players won’t queue PvP, and in TBC it gets worse, because as alliance you’re so quickly honorcapped with 1/10 of the queue times that even less alliance players end up queueing.

EDIT2:
Suggesting players to switch factions & characters they’ve invested a lot of time in is no solution and just a bandaid fix. You should be able to objectively look for a solution to bg queue times.

The elephant in the room are racials, which were a mistake in the first place and should’ve never worked in PVP environments in the first place.

While they sure add a lot to race identitys, people are obviously quite stubborn about merc mode which won’t affect them personally, yet can’t bring out another solution.

EDIT3:

Horde queue times now have surpassed the 1-1.5hour mark, sometimes 2 hour+ queues for AVs and an average of 1hour+ for the others, killing any incentive for casual play.

What did you expect?9.1 inc in few days,tbc bg queues gonna increase by 300%

TBC could’ve had much more people,if they made servers to be actual fresh start.With this crap,lvl boost,custom mounts,toys,no one wants to bother with private funserver.

There’s video on youtube,dude showing dark portal at the release,there was no one besides him.

If everyone got to start fresh,then lots of new people would come.But like this,where you need to level from 0 while someone else just transfer character from classic vanilla,full t3,with billion gold,nah ty.

[Spierbundel-bloodfang]

The longer the queues for horde the better it feels stomping them in 6 minutes with a premade.
Damn it must suck! My druid has pretty much everything from honor except the cape (10k honor left to ‘farm’).

Feelsgoodman. Keep crying please, the tears fuel me for my next honor grind.

[Worstworrier-thunderhorn]

Have said to you probably, not sure if you read it but the 55:45 is only accurate in naxx, there were more horde in mc and bwl and pop was equal in aq

[Kamenitza-gehennas]

@Yuuffyy-patchwerk

55% Alliance vs 45% Horde throughout classic. Guess what? Yeah right, Alliance was FOTM in Classic and now it’s horde.

How come Alliance still had instant queues on all bgs in classic? Because I had them. Just explains how my fellow alliance players just dont want to PVP & just care about the quick rewards, which was extremely noticable in AV during Classic. Alliance was capped out so fast and Horde AV Queue Times exploded. Same thing is happening now.

You guys keep acting like the victims here when you’re clearly not.

I reroled alliance and I have absolutely no problem with queues.

I’m just pointing out that there is NO horde on the forums that is/ was playing the faction, because of racials/ faction pool. Everyone are horde, because of friends, guild, looks and whatever you want to call it and now they demand a solution from blizzard.

I had my queue problems and I found my own solution.
Like I said in my previous post, waiting for our beloved company is a waste of time imo. They simply doesn’t care for you and me.

[Noshbox-outland (Noshbox)]

Just queued 1 hour 20 minutes for AB and got steamrolled by an Alliance premade. Oh well, at least I can get another mark in another 1 hour and 20 minutes. How many do I need again? Oh yeah, it’s 40 for 1 item…

[Shamymagisch-razorfen]

Sounds like a pretty good argument for you to go alliance.

[Noshbox-outland (Noshbox)]

Yeaah, great idea that. Listen up horde, I need you to all log out! Create a new Alliance character and the game will be fixed.

What a dumb suggestion

[Shamymagisch-razorfen]

@Noshbox-outland

What a dumb suggestion

It’s the only thing you’ll get. They won’t add mercenary mode and the disparity won’t fix itself.

Reroll or get comfortable waiting

[Gaahll-argent-dawn]

Let’s not get too overly emo here, this will solve it self in a few months without any action from Blizzard required for two reasons:

1. Retail players will leave the game again, and as most of those min-maxer boys chose horde, the faction ratio will improve again.
2. Going BG is only really ‘required’ in season 1, for coming seasons you will have your S1 gear as best gear.

I say ‘required’ here considering the retail min-maxer boys, ofcourse you can also just go into arena and rack your 10 wins at low rating.

[Peonmaster-dreadmist]

Actually, we don’t need to do anything about the BG times. Because WotLK is coming. And the tables will turn!

[Rosettastone-grim-batol]

@Gaahll-argent-dawn

Going BG is only really ‘required’ in season 1

many people just like to do BGs… you guys dont get it do you: its NOT just about the gear, people like to play BGs, you know, for fun!