Your argument basically is, “I levelled a profession and invested loads of time farming materials on a seasonal server, that I should be rewarded with lots of gold. Gold that I will spend on consumes, enchants and ZG dolls each week (apparently)”.
My argument is “you can still farm lots of gold, professions will still be useful with unique patterns, just add another avenue for players to obtain the materials required for gear rather than the archaic gold system.”
Not sure I missed anything?
You need to stop playing wow and actually learn to put forward a valid point, written and spoken.
Many people levelled multiple alts to 35lvl just to level those professions, and yes those alts will be useless because you need to have recipe to craft just on 1 character, and only use of 35lvl alts is CDs. I think it’s just unfair to people who levelled alts for CDs. It will fully devalue their efforts. Blizzard can add many materials to real boxes, and in many situations it’s reasonable. But not in the case of profession CDs because of the reason i said before.
I’m afraid making alts for crafting bots is a risk you took. What did you do with those alts prior to nax coming out and materials were 6-7g a pop? Once naxx gear is no longer needed and the crafting materials become useless once again, what do you do with your alts and the time invested in them?
They at least will make gold some more weeks before next phase come out, but if devalue those materials right now adding them to real boxes, it’s unpredictable and it’s not good. If you come to LW trainer you can see many people levelling LW now hoping they will make gold at least for some weeks (and maybe more if naxx gear will still be good for next phase)
Before when those mats were worth less, we still played our characters, we still crafted those items, and we put those items into use. Nothing changed for people using professions.
Last phase Cured Rugged Hide was made to craft 100+ cloaks so that people without the professions had access to gear on their characters. Supply and demand.
What will we do next phase? Keep crafting those items on cooldown. They still have a use cause people make new characters all the time, and it enables people to access useful items the second they hit 60.
You just don’t want to put in any effort into professions, but deem reals a good fix to being lazy. People would just go on their Warden Shaman, log 4 alt chars on follow, and farm dungeons for 5x the coins if that were to happen, and then put all that little gold earned from each into buying all the supply, and pushing the cost of the items up again, like people do with items all the time.
You’re able to get Arcanite Bars from the boxes currently, but the cost of 1 bar is 40g+, and when it starts dropping, someone that plays around with the Auction House will just buy it all and reset the price. You’re not winning against those people.
The only thing you do by putting crafted items with a long cooldown onto the undermine boxes, is kill off professions for people that work hard to increase the supply. The price won’t automatically drop, cause you have people on each server sitting on 100K+ gold that can just buy all the stock out if they wish to.
Yes. that is exactly what i am saying - hard work and effort rewarding me with bonuses for said extra hard work and effort is not a bad thing, its what most people would consider “fair”.
along with that, i also attempted explaining to you the basics of economics, which you apparently still haven’t learned a thing about because you still don’t see what’s wrong with your suggestion even though i cut it into bite sized dices for you.
sad.
and your argument is wrong because professions would - objectively - become worthless if you can get everything from real boxes.
i used black lotus and arcanite bars as an example.
but you know what? there’s more good examples… go look at the price of idols, lava cores, fiery cores, squids, fire water etc.
what do these materials all have in common?
they are worthless because they are easily found in real boxes.
same was the case with core leather until they became part of the BIS armor kit recipes.
you missed any and everything bro. cooked and fried.
and you need to stop whining about being poor and go make some gold so you can afford your gear.
do you go into mcdonalds in real life and demand free food because you cba making money irl, and ranting to them about the unfairness of life?
no you don’t (or at least i hope not because lol yikes in that case).
so stop doing it in WoW.
you’re embarrassing yourself.
Yes it is fair that hard work and effort is rewarded, like completing content. Not levelling multiple alts with professions and having them spew out mats like some sort of virtual sweatshop. It’s called exploiting the market aka a racket.
You are hardly the warren buffet of wow. I don’t think your economic credentials give you any more credence than mine. There is nothing wrong with my suggestion. You are tunnel visioning one area to make money because it is easy to exploit a flaw in the system. Go farm gold, farm ZG like the other person described. Sell boosts, farm materials in the outside world, do any of the other 1000 ways to make lots of gold in this game. Professions are one small cog in the gold making machine.
No they wouldn’t. Professions still have unique patterns. Look at ony cloak, resistance gear, enchants etc. Just because gathering professions have been stabilized (in classic 2019 these professions printed money) with reals, which are not constant (you have to farm the reals taking time and effort) why would the profession cooldowns matter in the slightest? Your core argument is, the system is allowing me to make lots of gold from this so don’t fix it. That’s hardly a winning argument and just makes you come across as greedy, entitled and disingenuous.
These prices are correct for what they are. You are basing their supposed actual prices off classic 2019 where the game was solved and people knew what they were doing. Why do you think gold selling has boomed since 2019? Because fools like you want to make us much gold as possible with no thought of the consequences. You are basically causing inflation in the market for your own selfish idea, that you are owed something for following a profession levelling guide.
Who cares? It’s all relative. If everything is cheaper, you don’t need to farm as much gold and therefore spend less time gaming a system where you will lose at the end. If you’re too thick to understand this maybe you should continue to play wow as heaven forbid you actually play the market irl.
No I didn’t I’m afraid. You are too ignorant and obtrusive to see any other side of an argument.
I have never once whined about being poor. You have constantly made that incorrect assumption because you lack any form of intelligence or foresight.
I think you need to reflect on what your priorities are in life before it is too late.
not really… no… i mean its nice that its rewarding, but if you make it too rewarding other avenues of income (professions) become obsolete.
all dungeons except kara melts with a good group and some of them can even be solo’d.
that is not what i would call “hard” work, just work-work.
pretty sure its by design, and not a flaw.
supply and demand.
that is actually against TOS, but since its not being enforced people do it anyway.
because if you can spit them out on a whim with no cooldown the material which they yield become worthless.
supply and demand.
no, my core argument is that making professions obsolete by putting the stuff they produce into the boxes, is bad for peoples ability to make gold.
ironically, if you do this it will impact the real boxes too because you oversaturate the market with materials that are now extremely easy to come by, so you’d be shooting yourself in the foot.
you want to make professions obsolete out of selfish reasons because you’re too lazy to play the game and make your own gold in whatever means you have.
these prices are artificially lowered because blizzard intervened when people cried about black lotus, and by extension flasks, being expensive.
in vanilla wow a black lotus is far more expensive than it is in SOD wow… i wonder why…
same goes for arcanite bar.
this is not new. gold selling has been “booming” for 20 years.
this is not new.
its hardly my idea. people have been doing this since forever both in games and in real life.
its called scalping.
its a dastardly thing to do, but its profitable, so people are going to do it and if i don’t someone else will.
get with the times.
honesty and humility will get you nowhere.
you need to be ruthless and selfish to succeed at economics, because if you aren’t someone else will take advantage of your good will.
again, that’s not how that works… but i’m starting to give up because you clearly can’t see the trees from the forest on this issue.
how do you know i don’t?
projection at its finest.
lies.
if you were not poor, you would not be here complaining about being poor.
lol.
No. Because it can done with the activity that you will do even if reals dont drop from it, just as free bonus. Let’s say you will do zg for leg/helm enchant anyway, and you get reals just as BONUS for it, not putting EFFORT because your main goal is getting enchant and reals just a side bonus, so they worth literally zero extra efforts for you to get
Why blizzard should delete this gold making method but not others, just because you want it?
Many people levelled profession alts just to do CDs, and their only profit is CDs because you need to have patterns only on 1 character to craft something, so all alts are useless with this change
And what you doing? You want to destroy 1 big part of game economy just because you don’t have gold for it xD So you not crying that you dont have gold?
Levelling a profession is not hard work. It’s less work than doing a dungeon or raid for reels.
Clearly it’s not designed to be this. I’m not sure when Blizzard said they wanted people to level alts and play new classes, they envisaged virtual profession sweatshops milking the t3 system.
You mean how people spit out cured hides etc on a whim on 8 different characters every 3 days and selling 24-40 cured hides at 88g a pop?
Exactly, you are tunnel visioning one aspect. You can make gold numerous ways. When these professional cooldown materials were 6-7g a pop, how did you make money then? Why has the price gone up by 1157% in the space of 1 tier phase? Surely if you guys are pumping out alts and profession mats the prices should go down not up, especially 4 weeks in? Supply and demand no? 8 months to prepare all those mats?
Again you are quoting 2019 classic. Vanilla (2004-2006) it was never this expensive, ever.
The technology to bot in wow hasn’t even been around for 20 years. Again, you show how little you know and understand.
Or devise a system where this doesn’t happen? Like reals?
It does in an artificial economy like wow…where there are no rules and things can change quite easily and rapidly.
Because you sit around farming gold on wow all day and answer forum posts with biblical bs?
Quote me?
Or I just don’t agree with what people are doing and want to see changes for new/returning players? To make the game more fun, less stale and restrictive?
When you are doing dungeon, you usually also get something else except of reals (and in most situations, reals are not your main goal doing the dungeon). You get them just as bonus. It’s really can’t be compared. You get reals for free in most situations because your main goal doing dungeon is usually something other
You dont need many alts to get your mats for t3. Enough is 1 character and 14 cooldawns (42 days). You had 8 months, and we all know that naxx gear requires it. Yes, you CAN get more gold by levelling new profession alts (to sell it to lazy ppl who dont care about levelling profession), but just to get your own set you need just ONE character with profession and 42 days.
Yes, and profession CDs is one of those ways. Why this is “good” way and other ways are “bad”, just because you have no gold for it? ANd if you for example need a BoE but dont have gold to afford it, what then? Nerf other goldfarming methods? You want a exact one gold farming method to be nerfed just because you can’t afford it. Isn’t it a tunnel vision or something other?
literally made my fortune since phase 1 through hardship, speculation, investment in future mats and taking risks.
but sure, just point at the rich guy and yell “gold buyer” if it makes you feel better.
if you know how the game is going to develop in regards to something like fire resistance or tier piece costs, its easy to buy cheap and sell high.
notice how gold scarabs are super expensive at the moment?
yeah, that’s me.
bought all of them for 20g each scarab and selling for upwards of 49-60g each.
literally printing gold.
is there a risk involved with this?
yes.
yes there is.
some andy could come along and put a “lock” on the scarabs by posting 100x for 33g which would force me to buy his scarabs or force me to stop posting and wait for them to go down before i repeat the process again.
bro it really is just that simple… gold scarabs are the rarest type, thus the most valuable, and while 20g sounds like a lot, 49g is more than double that amount, and if you got them all you get to dictate the price.
ahh yes. the people’s man. das volkes helt.
tale as old as time.
bro stop the cap.
you are poor and you’re trying to pass your bs off in the cringiest manner possible, by pretending that what you say here is for the common good of all, which its objectively not since people like myself would be negatively affected by professions/gold becoming meaningless because unlike you, i actually have something to lose.
i don’t wanna continue engaging with you.
i’ve said my piece.
you are hopeless and you need to learn how the world works instead of yelling at the clouds.
