I did reply but realised I’m talking to brick walls anyway, so I removed it. Carry on, I give up, I’m done wasting my time here when it does nothing.
Multiboxers or not, open world farming spots are useless the moment someone posts a youtube video about it, unless you’re on a tiny tiny server group.
If you can’t complete quests due to multiboxers, that’s a valid thing to complain about. If you can’t farm due to competition - multiboxers or not - that’s not.
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this is not true, please refrain from spreading misinformation, someone might read that and believe it and then go and report an innocent multiboxer for griefing when all they did was multibox innocently doing their own thing at the practice dummies in stormwind.
The biggest price we,as a community, that pay for it is through the erosion of the game’s integrity. I didnt go through all 60+ comments so far but the mere fact that at least some are raising the discussion on whether this is cheating or not is enough to start put doubt’s in people’s minds. Its painful when many of us got to be so invested but start to see a kind of discussion more befitting a mobile game with dodgy monetization policy rather than one with a Blizzard touch of quality and long-term dedication.
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Let’s be honest. Blizzard doesn’t have quality for over a decade now.
They’re living out of the past and if any new company would try their sheneningans it would be dead at arival.
Imagine how Shadowlands will works when professions are must have if you want get good legendary and some multiboxers take all herbs, skins and ores.
There shoud be limit to DIG ONE TIME FROM VEIN/HERB PER BLIZZARD ACCOUNT. This shoud be implememnted in game as a party of system.
I used to farm Zin’Anthid in Nazjatar back in march when the price of one piece was worth almost 20g, in less than 2 weeks, and I’m not joking here, the price dropped to 9g because of the multiboxers. How did I manage to understand that? Simple. I was gathering around 1k of mats and when I was reaching AH, I saw people like player1/2/3/4/5 posting around 20k of mats for a lower price just to sell them faster. I was going for 20g, they were coming and posting a huge amount for 17g, and from there the market went down.
This is a major scheme which works the following way.
- People selling services and gold, pay the multiboxers to farm for them.
- They get fast gold by selling mats, for lower prices, which means more work, less money.
- Services are still up but now they cost more as the raw gold they get isn’t that easy to get anymore.
- If you could get (as an example) 100k gold for let’s say 10E, now you get the same amount for 15E because they work more for that gold, and it’s a win situation for THEM, as they earn more money. The more the demand, the higher the prices, the lower the market drops due to them.
I hope I made myself clear.
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People bought gear in Molten Core, because back then people were able to play the AH or farmed tons of gold.
Or just outright bought said gold from 3rd party sellers which is against the ToS.
Boosting / buying gear / prestige rewards isnt a thing since we got tokens. It has been done since the start of WoW.
I remember people advertising leveling / gearing services for gold back in 2005 on Sylvanas EU.
Jaina mount still costs like 1.5 million or so.
Nzoth mount i saw going for 3-4 million gold.
So its not like everyone will be able to “just buy” these mounts.
All other things you mentioned have been subject to boosts ever since certain achievements were implemented. (Aotc / mythic stuff / challenge mode stuff etc)
Dont go on and about and tell people boosting started when Blizzard started selling tokens.
It might have made it more mainstream, thats for sure but thats about it.
On the multiboxing side of things, yeah it is annoying it ruins gathering proffesions for the average player.
And it ruins server economies to some degree.
But number 2 would happen anyway because on most bigger servers the AH gets played by a handful of people either making ore or herbs hella expensive or cheap AF.
Multiboxers mostly flood said economies reducing prices due to increasing the supply vs an unchanged demand.
Are they making gold? For sure.
But i highly doubt if it is such a cashcow as people claim it is.
You need 600-800k gold a month to pay 5 subs for your 5 different accounts, which is a lot of money and requires a lot of time.
you don’t understand. Buying with gold isn’t an issue. At least, the ones doing it with gold are farming it themselves in game, with whatever tactic they use.
Tokens just made it PAY TO WIN. Real money spent to gain in game currency for these boosts.
At the very least, when there isn’t a token in play, you have to spend time and effort for that boost. Not pay with a credit card to catch up.
As for your multiboxing and AH plays. AH play actually requires a certain level of understanding. It’s like investment or trading. Real life has those professions. Why not in game?
But multiboxing is also an issue. Saying it’s pointless to bother, because multiboxing exists is kind of like the COVID situation right now. It’s like saying it’s pointless to wear a mask because a few people aren’t doing it.
The right choice would be to stop those not wearing the mask, not to say it’s not worth bothering. Multiboxers have to be stopped as well.
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this isnt a multiboxer thing.
The new AH system just sells the most newly posted stuff to players and undercutting isnt really a thing anymore.
Which even was explained in Blizzards blogpost.
Yet people feel the need to undercut the competition.
But if you all post Zin’Athid for 20g a piece, it will sell or people will try to farm it themselves.
Undercutting materials doesnt change the supply / demand issue.
20k herbs on 20g a piece, is a pretty hefty price but people still need mats for raiding so they will spend the gold.
During legion, prices for consumbles went way up and stayed there for a long time.
People knew they could ask certain amounts of gold for herbs and i barely saw prices change because the herbs would sell anyway.
Multiboxers dont ruin the economy or AH pricing on their own. Its literally everyone that sells something on the AH and thinks undercutting is the only way to sell items.
If you want to buy tokens to get an achievement or a mount,
Please do it.
6 Tokens is roughly 900K gold on avarage
thats 100 Euro!
100 euro for a mount ( estimated wow token price in example is 150K)
And that varies,
If you want to spend 100 euro( ATLEAST) on a N’zoth boost or Jaina boost Go ahead, its not going to make you any stronger or weaker in the long run.
you will need multiple runs for that
Masks dont work against a virus, so they are pointless anyway. But lets not spark a political debate about a fake virus that is just a regular flue
Multiboxers not only ruin game by farming ores and herbs but also they farm raw gold. Spot in Suramar generate around 10k raw gold per hour. If you are multiboxer on one spot you can generate around 80k per hour.
Edit: There was also spot in other legion zone where you cvan earn 20-50 raw gold per hour but now is fixed, and I hope people who exploit it was banned.
I totally disagree.
Pay to win is about being able to be on the same level as other players.
Which in term you wont be with just throwing money at it.
If you bought your mythic Nzoth mount, you arent all of a sudden a mythic raider.
You simply bought a cosmetic reward which was put in place to reward those able to get to that level of play.
Aside from that, in like 1 year from now, will you be able to tell the difference? (And you already cant tell right now)
Person A: raided mythic Nzoth and looted his mount with a guild.
Person B: guildless, bought said mount with farmed gold
Person C: bought said mount with the 15 or so tokens he had to get because he needed 3 million gold.
All you see ingame, is someone riding the mythic mount, but you cant tell if they bought it / looted it or are simply playing an alt because mounts are accountwide.
People also buy boosts for new characters, getting them to 120 instantly. Real money to skip all the leveling.
Yet this part is never touched by people being against real money spent on playing this game.
And the whole part of using a creditcard to catch up, is true but doesnt have a great affect on the playerbase.
People buying boosts for m+ / gear or whatever else aren’t instantly good at the game and wont be able a mythic +2 if they dont have the skill to play the class they got boosted to 470 ilvl with.
And you as player will easily be able to tell if you would meet such a person in your dungeon.
Those same players are also your LFR players which simply want fo experience something more than LFR (nothing wrong with that in b4 attacks about this comment)
Or people buy boosts to prepare a character for the upcoming xpac because they want a bit better gear to level up.
Boosting in any way, shape or form isnt as bad towards the game as people make it out to be.
Same goes for tokens, it still requires you to have disposable income no matter how low the price of the token is.
Do some research on actual prices of mounts / m+ runs / mythic clears and do the math of how many tokens you need.
You will be surprised how expensive a Nzoth mount is or a Jaina mount.
Pay to win, is the definition of paying real money to gain certain advantages in the game which by other means would either be much more difficult to do or not available entirely without paying.
So when you buy a boost in pvp, pve, mythic mount, curve or whatever else with token money, you’re by definition, PAYING TO WIN.
Skill has nothing to do with pay to win. also in wow, there is no such thing as end game victory. For some, item level is winning, for others clearing mythic+ or whatever else. And you can buy all of them with real money, HENCE we call it pay to win.
People who buy boosts have their achievements ready to join any group they want. You may not have noticed, buy half the decent pug groups need curve for a raid and they let anyone in as long as they have curve. even if raid leader finally figures it out after a bunch of fights, the guy just leaves and joins another group and same story.
you can advocate boosting forever. I don’t care about your opinion or mine about boosting being bad for the game or good for the game.
What i do care about is boosting being done with real money which is a completely legal possibility right now.
also, real money level boost and other stuff blizzard sells. What makes you think people are ok with it? you think everyone’s just fine with all these shop stuff while the game charges you a full expansion price as well as monthly subscription? It’s also another pay to win tool, available in shop. Doesn’t change anything.
It’s funny how you think since some boosts are expensive, people aren’t paying for it. Mythic boost for N’zoth is actually quite a profiting boost now and it’s around a million gold last time i checked. A lot of people actually pay for this stuff. Which is why we have the supply ready for that demand in game. And how else do you think they have 1 million gold ready for buying without tokens?
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This is wrong.
None of the mentioned things you can buy a boost for is unavailable or more difficult if you dont buy a boost.
If that was the case, how would you buy a boost to begin with?
And what adventage do i get for buying a Nzoth mount? Other than a cosmetic reward?
I wont level faster vs a guy who didnt buy said boost and like you said yourself:
If i get into a raid, and people figure out i suck and only got my Nzoth ahead of the curve achievement with a boost, i am out of the group.
So, if there is no “final” you finished the game how are we paying to win?
So you are paying money to win something that cant be won?
I am lost.
The boost will get them into a group but thats about it.
As soon as people figure out its a player who bought a boost they are kicked or removed from a guild or group.
Which i already explained in my earlier post.
Then why are you here discussing boosting if you dont care about anyone’s or your own opinion on this matter?
Thats not what he said.
The prices mentioned are quite high regardless.
And any boost is profitable not only Nzoth mythic ones. Else it wouldnt be offered.
Offering a service which nets you a loss vs profit is ofc a lost cause.
Having a million gold without tokens is still considered “a feat” or you worked for it. (Or just played the WoD garrison with many chars) the amount of players with more than a million gold are still just a few % of the playerbase.
1 token nets you 176k gold atm. (Wowhead EU pricing at 09:24 CEST / 31st of August)
To make 1 million from tokens will mean you require 6 of them at 20 euros a piece.
Turns into 120 euros for a few pixels that tell others you killed Nzoth mythic?
You do understand not everyone is able or willing to just get 120 euros out for a boost right?
Buying wow tokens with gold just means you pay 20€ sub
are you serious?
you buy the N’zoth mount and get the curve achievements. Other groups now invite you in and the quality of groups you join increases, giving you a higher chance for better runs in the future.
your second advantage is that you’ve been given gear with that boost, increasing your item level which without it would have taken a while.
Like i said, even if the leader figures it out, you join another group. There’s plenty to go around and a lot of them are actually good enough to carry people through with or without one member.
you have to be doing this on purpose. PAY TO WIN doesn’t mean final win. Sometimes that win is a mount, sometimes it’s an achievement, a progression, a pvp rank, pve rio score, etc.
if you want to argue based on a word technically then don’t bother. It’s a cheap and weak argument not worth even responding to.
again, i explained it. I have issue with PAYING part of it with real money. Which is why i’m posting here. how else am i supposed to explain it? you’re comfortable with german?
that post said it’s going to be 100 euros. That’s expensive. If you want to pay that much just do it.
I don’t know how else to translate that. Seems pretty clear to me.
you again missed a part of my post. I said you think everyone’s has 1 mil ready for boosting? Of course they use tokens to get it.
If you think it’s stupid to do so, doesn’t mean others don’t do it.
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Which, isnt in any means an advantage.
At the time boosts are offered you are buying a boost to catch up.
The only advantage you took is you skipped the hassle of progressing the content with a group or guild.
But you merely got caught up. Since nobody will boost you on week of release unless you pay huge sums of money.
You responded regardless.
And no, its not argueing about the word.
But please enlighten me, how buying a cosmetic reward a rank or anything else is a “win” since the prestige in these rewards (pvp ranks / raid progress etc) is in the work put into said reward.
Simply buying it removes all prestige and will make it a lot less valueable to anyone who figures out you just bought it.
And my comment was made towards the fact yoh claim that without boosting some content isnt doable or playable.
Which simply isnt true because people are getting to those rewards without buying boosts.
Its not me who is missing the idea behind the post.
Its not about gaining the 1 million gold with tokens. Its about the price you pay for the 1 million gold.
120 euros to spend on a game just isnt something many people will do.
And also on a regular basis due to getting all mythic mounts or kills.
Nor did i ever judge people who want to spend their money that way. What you seem to do.
Once again, not something i have an issue with.
All i see, is someone replying to certain aspects of my replies without reading my replies to make his point.
At this point, I don’t even know how to make you understand this one basic thing, so i give up.
If you think the end game content mounts, cosmetics, achievements and progressions aren’t considered the win part of wow, then i got nothing else to say. I did my explaining already.
And just because you bought it doesn’t mean everyone can tell immediately that you did so. That prestige comes from appearance just as much as your dps meter in game. And people pay for that. There’s a business for that in the game with thousands of buyers and sellers.
So you can close your eyes and pretend all of it doesn’t mean anything so it’s not pay to win and everything’s fine. But i won’t. When i see someone riding a gladiator mount or a mythic N’zoth mount when it’s current content, I don’t want to doubt whether this was a boosted player or actually someone who earned it. I want it to mean something. to know that if a guy’s in possession of a mythic mount, EVEN if not skilled enough in game, at least he had a million gold ready to spend for it which is an achievement of its own.
But now, when i see it, it could very well be someone who just paid 100 euros. it waters down the achievements and their worth.
Have fun.
it is pay to win but they can pay you.
simply join a boosting community and play for them. My friend and former GM was in one and it was very profitable to run boosts. I was boosting curve and heirloom runs in 5.4 for gold, then in 6.2 i was boosting curve and moose mount for ppl. This is the fastest gold farming method i know and currently people pay even more (in 5.4 curve run costed 10k gold, in 6.2 full HFC on personal loot was 100k)
The wow token made buying gold accessible and completely legal. I mean you could buy gold before that as well and plenty people did but there was a risk. Not much risk of account actions (on old account i sold 10 million before getting banned, i was doing that for years) but the risk of getting scammed was high. There was no safe way to guarantee the transaction and you were on your own if you got swindled. Now its not the case, you simply buy the token from Blizz interface and thats it.