Both RNG and timegates are already annoying by themselves and the weekly vault combines both of them. If stuff is timegated it needs to have some form of catch up or simply cap the progress which you can make similar to the conquest vendor. RNG only works if the loot is frequent and not timegated, like in a dungeon crawler for example. It feels like this vault was created to give us the worst possible gearing experience.
They said this xpac would be alt friendly and yet most of the gear progression comes from the vault and thereâs basically no catch up for missing out on vaults. The game will never be alt friendly as long as the vault exists. Iâm losing all my hope for this game, the only thing which feels decent in this xpac is the PvP vendor (and even that is messed up by rating gating items and encouraging boosting into a massive pay2win environment).
I think the vault itself is perfectly fine. Itâs a huge step up from the previous weekly chest and also encourages trying different types of content, while also rewarding doing more than just the minimum.
The issue in my opinion is that the base loot is so bad in comparison to the vault.
The vault should be a nice piece of extra loot every week. It shouldnât be the main way of gearing. I donât think most people would mind duplicates and/or bad items from the vault as much, if they could acquire somewhat similar gear as normal drops.
The difference between the weekly ilvl 226 loot and the regular ilvl 210 is just way too big imo.
Doing m+ for anything besides the vault choices feels like a waste of time, so the vault becomes really important to progress with your gear.
I think if the vsult was less important the RNG wouldnât be as big of an issue as it is currently.
The Great Vault offers rewards based on your characterâs activities of the previous week.
How could it offer rewards if your alt hasnât done any activities?
The only âcatch upâ it has so to speak is if you havenât visited it while you did enough activities.
It is difficult to catch up when it is timegated on once a week. It is not about not doing activities. It is about the dependency of the vault which is timegated.
With the valor the system will be much better imho, altough I would have preferred pve pieces to go up to ilvl 226 with a separate achieve for completing all +20s in time to upgrade weapons to 233. Just mirroring pvp, which is working just fine.
i used to open two chests in BfA: pvp one and m+ and had 2 items weekly
with the introduction of Great Vault i stopped doing m+ after week 1 of m+ season
i still can only take 1 item, better to take the one i can upgrade
Leveling alts last 2 weeks and gearing them through covenant and honor to 200 ilvl, but after that yeah, you can only advance through vault once a week.
Strongly disagree, previous vault (chest) was just a weekly bonus, while you had viable gearing in m+. Iâm happy pvp gearing is back, but they butchered m+ gearing unless you play from start of patch and open all vaults.
Another 3-4 weeks and the conquest cap should be high enough to just get all the PvP gear that way.
I personally try do a few m+ runs each week, since the PvP gear is super likely to just give me duplicates.
I think from a PvP perspective the Vault is not a big deal anyway. The main issue is m+, where the vault is pretty much your only source of proper gear.
Raiding aswell to some extent, since the droprates are low. But atleast you can get somewhat decent drops there.
The Vault itself is the problem. Having gear in there pushes them to reduce availibility of it in the ACTUAL content. Remove the gear and replace with mats, currencies, tokens etc and increase the gear drops at the point of contact with the content.
It wonât be a moment of eager anticipation every reset day admittedly, but it also wonât be a crushing disappointment which leaves you ambivalent to the content youâre supposed to be entertained by.
Weird, because last expac I would mostly get useless gear (usually in the form of a bracers, ring or belt - man blizz just love handing out belts) from weekly chest. Whereas now Iâm getting a selection of useless gear from the vault.
Three weeks in a row I get the same 4 items presented to me that I already have.
Yea, youâre right itâs working as Blizzard intended.
Now, you could argue that Iâm just unlucky but then when I read guild chat on the Wednesday morning it becomes very clear that Iâm not the only one as most of the guild encounter the same.
Wasnât the vault supposed to remove the previous systemâs problem, wasnât the massively reduced drop rate supposed to be counter-balanced with the idea that when you are given loot itâs at least of benefit now?
â#We want loot to mean somethingâ - Blizz
âŚyea right
Seems weâre right back where we started, only this time the drop rates are greatly reduced, funny that.
The vault is awful for me. There is no randomness to it. I did over 10 X M10 and above and got nothing but versa stuff. I have restrained to doing just 4 X only ever see versa stuff on high items. The low stuff which I have no use for is the only items with the right stats, but no upgrade due the low ilvl.
Call it 1%er, I just call it tiresome and zero fun.
Yes itâs an improvement. But just because garbage is better than Sh%t, doesnât mean garbage is good.
The idea of the vault making players try different things for more options is the only good thing about it.
However, itâs too much RNG. You have zero control over what to target and thatâs why itâs only better than the chest system and not a good system of itself.
simply bring back forging into game for m+ that u have chance to get higher item level from end of dungeon ⌠capped at what u can get from vault on that level
Oh yeah, youâre right. It was just a weekly bonus containing the only source of dungeon Azerite armor in the game. You know, the stuff that accounted for like half of your damage output in some cases. Yeah, thatâs totally just a bonus.
The vault system is fundamentally better in every way compared to the weekly chest. Sure, you can still get bad RNG, but it is far less likely, especially if you do more than just M+. Valor will fill in the gaps for PvE once 9.0.5 hits.
i was enjoying forging and chance to get item ⌠THIS IS JUST WEEKLY VAULT NONSENSE ⌠where u are not getting anything on forging system u was able to get all this 3 items ⌠but now u get 3 items but only 1 u can take what is far worse than forging ⌠put forging and vault options
