Like when you check help best talents for dungeon or raid.
Myself use Icy-vein since feel it’s great help.
Also waiting we unlock hero talents 71-80lvl guide.
What do your main use for -
Icy-veins?
Wowhead?
Other?
I generally use wowhead as a starting point and then adjust for playstyle / utility. Your published setup lacks an interrupt? No thanks!
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I read the talent and pick what sounds cool/is passive.
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Icy veins. Their layout seems better and was what I was originally recommended.
That is only for group content, though. I put the M+ and Raid cleave build in but have my own for outdoor/solo stuff.
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I use wowhead and then slowly transition to warcraft logs for raids and archonGG for m+.
Depending on the class author ill also look at their video guides if im confused.
Wowhead, Acherus, Logs for ST (raids) and a bit of class knowledge for my DK.
Just wowhead for the rest as I don’t know much about my alts classes.
If I’m really into the class and want to perform better I check logs and compare.
Since everyone myself included is using cookie cuter builds… it kinda defeats the idea of meaningful skill trees…
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The skill trees aren’t meaningful anyway, its a illusion of choise, in reality you are pretty much forced to take certain paths to get mandatory skills and passives.
Whenever i make my own builds, they usually end up nearly identical to the cookie cutter builds, because most choises are just common sense.
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O I know its why I find ppl who hated the D3 style one but love this one lol they are both the same…
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It depends a bit. For DK, it doesn’t matter because Icy-Veins and Wowhead have the same DK writer. For resto shaman stuff, Wowhead has a very competent writer. For hunter guides, I prefer Icy-Veins as I believe their BM hunter writer is more knowledgeable.
I do tweak builds for personal preference or content, though. It’s often small stuff, like Anti Magic Zone instead of the improved interrupt on my DK.
I use Wowhead
Icy veins is greate. Many in Wowhead dont make as much sense as the ones in icy veins imo
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I use icy veins then change it a tad for preference.
I see on subcreation or archon like it’s called now, the most popular builds by the top players. Warcraft logs has this functionality too.
Then i adjust minor things according to necessity (like a hard cc or dispel, which are things i want to have) or comfort.
Wowhead is a starting point but i don’t like it as they tend to ignore important utility you may need and just go for all throughput nodes, even if negligible.
I use Wowhead but then I adjust it to be comfortable for me, things like interrupt, dispell or purge are mandatory for me and I also change some talents that might add like 2% more damage but bring an extra button which I do not want.
They make most guides based in an organized raid scenario, which is very unlikely to be the case for most of us, so if you wanna use that site you must learn to adjust the talents for your own comfort.
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I build my specs by myself while leveling, that way I actually know why I´m using talet x instead of talent y. When preparing for the season I´ll cross reference with WoWhead guides, the difference generally only being 1 or 2 talents becasue most of it is common sense or “yeah, I need X at all costs”… and I may or may not change the build as a result. Because there are many other variables, the biggest one being the strength of your team vs the content you´re running.
For ex “Bis” talents for Firemage would normally include Sun King’s Blessing and shifting power. But neither of those talents do me any good in a fight like Monday on Volcoross HC, where I can´t even get the 10 SKB stacks up before the boss is dead so as to to actually get to hardcast+combust +SP.
I see so many people just blindly copy the talent builds from WoWhead or IV and not have the slightest clue what their buttons actually do that´s its not even funny… like the demo lock yesterday that always popped his tyrant on pull and only then actually started to summon demons… he should have been eating me alive with his gear, but since he didn´t have a clue what his buttons actually do and how they interact, his felguard later asked if he could be my pet from now on after the raid (I told him only if he respecs to succubus 
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My advice: Don´t look at the talent builds from guides at all while leveling, especially if its a new class…build it yourself, ideally taking primarily passive talents, so you know what your buttons actually do, and only then start adding more when you have a working grasp on the ones you already have. Otherwise you´re just confusing yourself even more and sacrificing thourghput because you`re “probably” not lining up your skills correctly, like said demo lock… he would have been better off leaving tyrant, his biggest spec cd, out completely and going for something like imp gang boss which would give him more sustained DPS and not require “proper” use to actually be worth speccing. And he didn’t use power siphon at all… so why even spend the point on it?
And the knowledge you gain from that has immeasurable advantages. For ex just today (wed) we had problems finding reliable and good PuG healers, so one of our tanks switched to their priest… I was there on my 506 UHDK just testing, hadn´t even opened the Blood tree since prepatch, but was able to quickly rebuild a workable blood spec and take over the tank role for Nymue and Smolderon and survive well into the latter´s enrage… and after teh raid, hmm, yeah, 1 point difference to the wowhead guide, because I active forego execute DpS in favor of survivability.
Same… especially as far as the class tree is concerned… if you understand that tree, you can easliy build encounter saving utility into almost any class, for ex a mage specced into blastwave, Dragons breath, and spellsteal can basically solo an entire wave of Raszageth sparks with 4-5-6 gcds, if people aren´t horribly out of position.
But if you just take whatever a guide says and don´t question anything, you´ll never be able to do things like that.
As far as “which” guides, WoWhead or Icyveins, they´re usually the same guides, anyway with only a few exceptions.
What for? at 80 you´re going to have all of the hero talents, anyway, and anything before 80 is irrelevant becasue overtuned for leveling. Only thing to “guide” is the 1-2-3 choice nodes depending on class, and most of them are balanced close enough or of svery similar utility, so that it doesn’t really matter which of the 2 you choose unless you’re playing at a level >95% of us will only ever dream of and actually need the .5% more dps…so, .1% title or HOF level…
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A mix of
https://www.method.gg/
https://www.icy-veins.com/
I prefer them over wowhead.
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Icy-veins, sometimes wowhead only if icy-veins copy import fails! xD
Wowhead and Icy-Veins. Then look at my own meters and adjust.
I second this.
As for talent guides, my preference is Peak of Serenity. I’ll glance at the recommendations and tailor things to what I’m doing and how I like to play. I likes me some Detox and Whirling Dragon Punch.