For me personally i don’t care much for the elitists as i can just block and ignore them.
But for new players or younger players, this is gonna be a massive issue.
Personally i’ve been playing WoW since early TBC/Late Vanilla and i feel this makes me no better nor worse than any other players in the game.
I suck at PvP forexample, and i barrely raid nowadays.
Am quite enjoying the solo content like Delves and just running around farming mats and so on. (Can’t wait for housing btw)
Anyways, as someone who sux at PvP i just sometimes enter a BG or Skirmish just to try out my class in it.
And here i found a TON of elitists having a meltdown on anyone entering without being fully geared for PvP.
Even in Arena Skirmish a dude spendt the match standing AFK in spawn typing for the entire match about how nobody without full gear should ever enter Skirmish Arena rather than just try or play.
What i can’t wrap my head around is why PvPers won’t just enter rated/ranked in their respective enviroment if they feel they need to belittle others who enter their enviroment in the “Quick match” type of setting.
How would someone gear for PvP without doing PvP? Why would a casual setting be seen as a non-casual “ranked mode” in their mind.
Although this is a small encounter i keep looking at all the posts on Facebook, Youtube or other forums where WoW content is being posted, and ALL the commentaries underneath, are just people hammering at other for playing Retail, or using QoLs in the game like the newly added 1 button rotation.
I even saw a video today about an addon that supposedly rats out any 1 Button Rotation users, as if people with handicaps needs to be outed in the game in any shape or way.
Too me it seems like the worst kinds are those that push Raids, play PvP or plays Classic are the absolute worst kind in game.
And it seems to be spiraling so hard at the moment that i would think new players are scared to even bother to enter the scene.
Report gameplay sabotage/non participating/afk. At some point hes just going to eat a suspension.
Thats been a thing since vanilla/tbc though. But those people are/were usually told to shut up if it was in unranked pvp because that is the place to gear up and it didnt matter.
A lot of people are doing that. Not just in WoW. They want to feel superior so they pick the most irrelevant thing known to mankind because they don’t have anything else to show for. You typically just ignore these kind of people. I couldnt care less if you use the OBR unless its I dont know some (progression) mythic boss or key push with a tight dps timer or something where the dps loss trough the button cant be ignored.
Well taking the same in consideration matching virtual vs real life.
If you got a new job, and instead of your employee telling you what to do, they just sat you at a desk, then came back 5mins later to tell you what a waste of life you are and that you should have never entered the job without already having worked there for 10 years, then yes that would be a good lesson.
But i think basic sense tells us that this behaviour isn’t doing anyone any good, not even the elitists.
Hey, nice; been thinking about those. I used to love Alterac Valley, it was the best.
I’m never frustrated from being overwhelmed, I just do what I can and am happy with that.
Thing is that I’ve been thinking on how to gear up and I think your way is the true one, so thanks.
If you look into psychology, you would find interesting patterns in all of this. I have to be careful what I say on the forum as it would be offensive and perhaps I would be blocked. But I will say that patterns in the game remind patterns from real life. Loads of bullies in real life enjoy bullying players in this game (as an example). There are also sociopaths who play this game, their brain is just plainly not healthy. Also you have different MBTI types of people. ESTJ types, ENTJ types are for example extremelly competitive because of their “Extroverted thinking” dominant cognitive funtion that very likely will make them disregard any weakness in another person (which is true in real life when these people are managers in companies). I had the same in arena, I was told off badly and just ignored that person And this just as an example of some pattern, there are also great people who play PVP and can be very helpful and lovely. I personally don’t understand why someone goes into “random battlegrounds” and then complains about anything at all when all just random people are there. They should form their own groups if they want exclusivity and exact expectations to be fulfilled. I mean, I have amazing friends in real life and I know so many great people, but this game can be very toxic. It’s so sad that many toxic people (toxic in real life) will find this as a “playground” for their sick brains. Best to ignore it.
Simply calling something out is different from generalizing the players like this:
Here, 2 things are done: Firstly, a lot of players, that enjoy content like PvP or competitive PvE, are sitgmatized in the post, and secondly, they are blamed for the 20 years old game not gaining new players.
Many people nowadays seem to assume it’d be okay to be toxic, when calling out other people being toxic. It’s not healthy behaviour generally.
Always remember that there is a stark difference between the elitists and the elite.
The elite expects much from you and provide much themselves, and if you don’t deliver they turn and leave, but they are rarely, if ever, cruel.
The elitist expects much from you and provide very little themselves, and if you don’t deliver they open their big mouth and yap up a storm about the horrors of your plays.
This latter group is best ignored. They mean nothing. Do they hurt the WoW community as new players come along? Absolutely, and they always have, which is why WoW needs to make sure it provides gameplay that sends you down a road without them; which at present it doesn’t.
On the topic of the one button rotation and the complicated rotation, I also keep seeing people who want WoW to be all sorts of crazy complicated just to attack a target dummy. Some of these people are skilled to be sure, but rather than turning their efforts towards difficult encounters just for those who are ready for it, they’d rather riddle the game with complicated garbage that everybody has to contend with - to their detriment. It’s rarely fun, either. That said, the 1 button rotation shouldn’t exist - and it exists only because these people were listened to in the first place.
All I can say - for anyone who feel put down by elitists - persevere. You’ll pass them; they never progress. They can’t - it’s everybody else’s fault, you see. And without realising your mistakes you can never figure out how to fix them. They’re like a thick blanket of toxicity usually hanging out at 1/8M or 1.7-1.9k PvP rating, but they aren’t so many that you can’t break through.
The blame is on Blizzard for designing the game in a way that reinforces negative feedback. Instead of focusing on creating new social connections between players with game mechanics everybody is reduced to a few numbers. And if your number does not measure up you are a nobody.
But this is an MMO, and what should have happened is the introduction of social mechanics that connect you with new people. And there are very easy systems to do it. In PVP everybody could get a limited number of endorsements per week, and if you really liked playing with or against someone you endorse them at the end of the match. The matchmaking system would then consider who you like to play with and match you more often, maybe tell you when someone you like is queued, it would create new social networks simply by playing.
It doesn’t have to be that complicated. I agree with what you’re saying completely, but sometimes it’s just these blasted queues and automatic signups. Solo shuffle is probably the worst.
It’s much better if you just don’t enter those things. I never do normal or heroic dungeons or LFR. I can’t stand it. Just don’t engage with it. When you make your own groups or join your friends or find a guild where people have to be respectful to stay in the group all these problems go away.
MMO’s are unique in that they’re social, and they tie a character and reputation to you, and you to them. You cannot so easily escape if it’s done right (which too often it isn’t in modern WoW) and it’s what helps give you that alter ego which is what the “roleplaying” in MMORPG actually refers to.
A mistake Blizzard has made is to nurture this hybrid-system of trying to appeal to pug-groups with their approach to Addons, and they also designed the content primarily for competitive, coordinated gameplay. That created a mix, where many Pugs have become popular due to convenience, but also very gatekeepy due to challenge and barriers to entry in that form of gameplay itself. It’s an interesting dynamic. But that doesn’t really make the players themselves toxic really. Wow has a very mature audience generally compared to the whole internet even. Of course there are big exceptions, like everywhere.
You can get a set of serviceable PvP gear to make you not dead weight at the start of a season for a pittance of gold from crafters / the auction house (Not crafting orders).
And this just as an example of some pattern, there are also great people who play PVP and can be very helpful and lovely. I personally don’t understand why someone goes into “random battlegrounds” and then complains about anything at all when all just random people are there. They should form their own groups if they want exclusivity and exact expectations to be fulfilled. I mean, I have amazing friends in real life and I know so many great people, but this game can be very toxic. It’s so sad that many toxic people (toxic in real life) will find this as a “playground” for their sick brains. Best to ignore it.