What happened to "this is going to be very alt-friendly expansion", what Ion mentioned?

There is so much insanely long and mandatory grind that isnt fun, rewarding, creative or skippable that there is no way I would make an alt this expansion. What happened? For example I cant make myself going into Torghas or maw even with my main. There is literally no way Im making a new character just to do everything against from scratch.
Just the first intro makes me hate the idea of lvling a new char. The intro is super long afk/PR watching and cant be skipped or speeded up.
Then all the covenant and renown pushing. Quests all over the continents that require you to travel,afk, watch PR, climb rocks, walls and search for ways etc for hours.
New chars arent pvp viable at all. Half of the classes cant pvp even with decent gear, but without top gear, you are useless in any pvp scenario.
PvE gearing kinda sux because of the low drop rate of items, but that is intended as stated. I get it, but I hate it.
I tried to keep 2 chars updated recently and with all the covenant crap and various other ā€œcapsā€ its like having 2 jobs and I’m still kinda behind with both of them. So what happened to the alt friendly expansion?

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I forgot I even had alts. :rofl: took me forever to get to 60 on my main, then I had to gear her with dungeons, quests, etc.

And I know some people who made it to 60 in one day, but I have studies and work in real life. Cant juggle all of that. Then I have My Horde main which I haven’t touched since BFA. I only leveled my Alliance main. :cry:

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How is it mandatory if it does not reward any thing?

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So in general the game itself is not alt friendly from my point of view . One bonus thing that they could do is same reputation levels on all caracthers it would be a plus to someone that decides to quit that class and start a new class but doesnt need to grind the rep from 0 again

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I feel ya, I started off with this wild idea of maintaining 4 toons (4 covenants) and now I’m down to maaaybe 2, but preferably just 1 again.

Legion I was on 5-6 just fine for casual pvp, but those were the templates times. Now I’m not discussing pros and cons, just saying.

Edit: I’d also like to state I’m overall happy with the xpac, especially after BFA, but after the honeymoon is over it’s just the good old WoW with all its perks and flaws, ey :slight_smile: No revolution, CP 2077 style. Marketing vs reality.

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I realized that the game isnt alt friendly after i did everything on my first week and look at it from a far.
Annoying Maw Introductory story. Pretty underwhelming linear leveling. Multiple obligatory education lines in Torghast and Maw. Campaign to get Renown. Maw to get Souls, to get Stygia. WQs. Torghast multiple runs. Only then some dungeons and tons of BGs to make up for PvP gear. Then M0 tour and pray for luck. Oh, also i forgot commander table and callings and multiple dungeon and PvP quests.

I then asked would i like to get through all of that again, on significantly weaker character just to be more or less ready to initial level of content?
No.

Thing is - SL content is pretty nice and fun to do on your main character. All of this is new and in a few weeks you did so much stuff that after looking back at it you wouldnt want to do this on another character. I have around 12 level 50 characters, i like alts. I tried to level couple via usual leveling and Threads of Fate and just no. Amount of stuff to go through is overwhelming.

So id just stick to my main and hope it wont get ruined by Blizzard balancing team.

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You basically just pointed out every bit of gameplay that WoW provides, and you like none of it.

You then say you like alts. Okay. What is it then you like about alts? What is it you want to do on your 12 alts? What kind of gameplay experience is it you envision for your alts if it’s none of the above?

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You can skip most of the mandatory grind when you hit LVL 60 on an alt. It’s only truly mandatory for the first time. When you come by on an alt you can tell whoever is in charge of the Covenant ā€œI already know how this works,ā€ and the entire 1-2 day grind is skipped.

And as for the Renown, there’s a catch-up mechanic whereby you get it from doing almost everything if you’re behind WITHOUT even having to do the two weeklies.

The only way it could be easier is if there was an immediate boost to 60 with a full, complimentary set of 171 gear. As for the gear, once you hit, I think it’s Renown 10, the WQ ilvl increase, which would make it a lot easier to gear up alts.

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Mmos are not supostu be palyed on multiple characters.

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I like changes and creativity. Since wow offers very little of it, I want at least a change of gameplay.Thats why I make alts basically.

You can skip most of those things. Alts can level via Threads of Fate, which opens up the entirety of SL to level in non-linearly, and you can also skip the later education quests once you’ve done them once.

Two things.

One, isn’t the Covenant campaigns that? At least to me, those 3 extra storylines are my motivation to make alts – one for each Covenant.

Two, how’s it much different from previous expansions? Shadowlands has Covenants, Battle for Azeroth had different Horde and Alliance zones, and Legion had Class Order Halls.
There tends to be some ā€œchangesā€ you can experience when playing an alt. But by and large, then the gameplay experience is what it is. You are playing through the same game a second or third or forth time. I mean, that’s always been the case.

Something is off.

When playing a brand new expansion fun should be key here.
If I am not raving on about what an amazing experience it is then something is wrong.

Don’t you want your customers to tell others, bringing more people to the game?

I would rate this expansion so far as okay. It’s not wowing me, it’s not amazing. The tedium is still there, the grind of multiple systems.

If you insist on making loot rare stick a currency in dungeons and let us buy stuff from a vendor - limit the items per week or something, I don’t care. If you don’t I can’t make time for alting because I will go insane first.

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I just got an alt today to 60, bought some gear of ah, and was able to run a few m0s without issues. So I’m basically doing end game content at the same day I dinged max lvl, with pvp and crafted gear being so easy to get to the 170 I really don’t see where your problem is at?

I imagine you are thinking of doing everything, as in capping renown (pointless since u can catchup), doing weekly thorgast, (after rank 1 lego, again pointless on an alt), upgrading your covenant with anima/souls (again pointless, it’s only cosmetic sh’t).

So I actually have no idea where you are coming from, what else would you like really, at this point outside of leggo which is really easy to get there’s no system that would require you to play catchup, other then gear but that was always a thing, and this time around it’s actually easy to get to the baseline and start mythics/raiding.

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Haha, you must be new to the genre.

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The joy of grinding reputation 4 times just to get all the transmog.

Fashion is the true endgame to MMO’s. So the more alts you have, the more options you have to be fashionable.

I have two max level characters and I am leveling a 3rd (and 4th, 5th and 6th) character and I still don’t know what to main! So far my 3rd character, ret paladin at lvl57, feels the most fun to play but to think about how much time it takes to actually get to ā€œend gameā€ after hitting max level is just… I don’t know… what is the point?