Hello everyone, I wanted to share my feelings about it, because it’s just bad in my eyes.
It makes no sense to support Sylvanas as a paladin in helping to raise corpses.
It makes no sense to support Sylvanas as a Druid in the destruction of nature in Darkshore.
It makes no sense as a shaman to help Gallywix to mine Azerite.
And it it makes no sense that everyone except of Baine and Saurfang just support Sylvanas blindly.
What’s your opinion to that all? it seems that it degenerates into a much bigger ****show than it already is. Is there any hope that we will get a story for the whole Horde which makes a lil bit sense in this expansion?
That you can find similar arguments and/or standpoints regarding the past and present of both factions.
Because said kind of broad statements go ahead to ignore all the nuance and personal preferences/situation of the collectives involved.
Why should a Troll Druid care one bit about Sylvanas “brutalising” his ancient enemies?
Why should a goblin Shaman give a shirt about his boss making him rich?
Why should Prelates/Blood Knights give a second thought to dubious ways of war against their sworn enemies?
If you are willing to take a broad brush and force every faction into the same archetype, few things will make sense.
Edit: And I’m not saying all is fine and dandy, but there is certainly more to it than simply saying that certain archetypical class/mindset doesn’t fit. They often work on things to make them fit.
Ok, I could never understand why Velen supported the Blood Elves to get their well back. But that’s all I can find. Maybe you can give me some other examples but I think it will be nothing compared to the current representation of the Horde.
And why would he destroy the nature and go against her guardians. Why would a Troll even be able to be a Druid?
Ok, that’s a point. I could never understand why Goblins are even able to be shamans.
Because Blood Knights are not the Blood Knights of BC. They serve the light.
Maybe it will. Maybe it won’t. But if you expect a darkspear rebellion 2.0 I think you will be disappointed. Sylvanas does a great job of not making the horde members feel like inferior and expandable meatshields.
They don’t. They are all gathered in Silithus.
They don’t. Unless you have seen any horde related Paladin character anywhere nearby so far.
It was shamans who helped making the fire even bigger at teldrassil.
Besides some Tauren, nobody in the horde has had any love towards the alliance. If vile methods alone is a reason to protest, everything after theramore would have been a turning point already.
Ok I don’t have a perspective on this. If Blizzards wants to fits with it right, then the canon PCs here will all be somebody else. More fitting with the mindset.
the Player character is in blizzard’s view just a lens to tell the story as such our class, race and even past hardly matter from what you know this could be story told through a Forsaken as the main.
Which is why Sylvanas send them down to the Sword, which you would had known if you had read Before the Storm.
Look over the lens the argumentation again for this ones.
They do not follow her Blindly, however they are at war and cannot afford to simply do nothing the Horde members need each other to not get stumped by the Juggernaut known as the Alliance.
They are observing and likely pondering Sylvanas’ decisions upon a daily basics as seen in 8.1.5 spoilers not all of them agree’s fully with her methods and leadership but compared to getting wrecked by the Alliance army?
They won’t throw a rebellion just yet.
I’m afraid this is where I agree with Zarao here. If you are picking out several strokes, and missing out the part about context, of which is the key to tell the difference to a story, then you won’t understand much.
Traditionally, the answer would be ‘no’. But contexually, the answer would be yes/no.
Let’s take your examples:
It has been documented and commented before that the Horde do not have traditional paladins. I don’t know about Liadrin, but I am sure there are ways one could still be a Paladin and serve the Horde.
If that means to serve Sylvannas as well however… Yeah, i’m not sure.
Again, another contextual requirement. Troll druids for example are not directly connected to the way we traditionally understand druidism. They take their power with praises to the Loa. Gonk specifically.
And as I understand it, Gonk does not give a damn about Darkshore.
Same lead-in example. Traditionally, all Shamans should not be doing or being involved in the war. Instead, helping to cure Azeroth of its wounds.
That does not mean they go off and fight for the Alliance either. They are better off in Silithus since the Alliance also uses Azerite.
Of course it doesn’t. But you can’t put any amount of people in a type. They’ll all have their own reasons: stupid or noble.
At least they got an decision. I personally think that not anyone should get such decision except of Forsaken and Blood Elves. The most other posts I answer woth this:
Ok. I have to agree with that.
Same for the shamans.
Afaik no loa gives a damn about anything. The only one who have something to say is Bwondsamdi and that’s only because he got the spotlight. That’s like Saurfang back in MoP.
But that’s also included in the whole thing. As I understood from your question anyway?
Or do you mean that, because of this, Horde should not be able to play these classes at all because of said reasons before?
I dunno, i’d like some clarification if what I got from you is wrong?
In terms of player perspective, the same rings true. How else should it be painted? It’s merely giving context to give and offer them relevance that works. And i’d say it does.
What Steala is trying to say here is that serving someone who raises corpses and kills civilians is taking a piss over the entire “Redemption” story line the blood elves had.
The Blood Knights started as anti-paladins, but they eventually became an order of proper Light worshiping warriors with traditional paladin ethics.
I see now. I’d say that comes less from serving Sylvannas completely but more from the fact that… Liadrin nor any Blood Knight/Sunwalker/Paladin what have you were given any context as to why they’re doing what they’re doing still.
Really, Liadrin saying: “I do it because Lor’themar said I should.” is enough.
Well, theoretically, for a paladin, what the Light commands is much more important then what Lor’themar commands.
That’s why Tirion was such a good paladin, he denied Uther himself, because Uther was wrong at the time.
And I can not fail to notice (this one isn’t aimed at you) that a lot of Horde (and Alliance posters) love Tirion a lot while simultaneously clamoring how their own faction-blinded paladins are totally normal and legit.
Like, do we value integrity only when it benefits us? Lets be real, no paladin worth his salt would follow Sylvanas after Teldrassil.
Yeah, In that ideal, for sure. But maybe Blizzard did intend it that way? I dunno. Biased templars are a thing fantasy and non-fantasy after all. But in those instances, they were at least explained.
In this sense, maybe Liadrin and the Blood Knight circle is just confusing even more.
Ugh. Overall, I enjoyed them better in their TBC format.
What I want to say with my post is that they would had to portray it differently. All we got fits perfectly to Forsaken, Goblins and maybe even a few Blood Elves. But for all other races it just looks ridiculous.
I’m an RP’er as well as a PvE’er and let me tell you, after growing up enjoying Thrall’s Horde, this interpretation is the hardest to try and reason/tolerate with without making and writing new concepts straight off the bat.
The Horde are not the baddies, Sylvanas is. The writers have had to completely twist the nature and personalities of the Horde to accommodate such a comically evil villain, without having her ‘offed’ in the side by all of them. And this is from someone who writes fanfiction, so I can see it coming a mile off.