What I think about the current representation of the Horde

Hey, we’re getting that Goblin/Gnome storyline in-game!

If you are talking about those two who decides to marry, before being blown up by Gallywix than thank you, but no. Anything race breeding, beyond elves and Humans, shouldn’t exist. Only reason why I will do their quest, is because Gazlowe tells me to.

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Even that should be banned…I remember the kids from that comic. Nightmare fuel.

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So only Elves and Humans can have intercourse, or only Humans and Elves can have intercourse with each other? I am confused.

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He has forsaken his vows and allowed his people (Lordaeronians) to suffer underneath the yoke of degenerate zombies. His words have as much worth as a random murloc’s mrggrgl, he’s stain on the long, proud history of the Silver Hand.

Which guardians? The wild gods? As far as I know, no wild god has deffended night elves against the horde. So they can be besties even if they helped burn Teldrassil, the guardians just don’t care.

Unless they were all dark shaman (who are supposed to be all gone with Garrosh) then yeah, they asked the elements to make night elves extra crispy. Which they did.

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A rare exception I must add.
But it does not excuse it, Jaina’s flip flopping over forgiving or hating the Horde is a large one really.

If they’re going to cross it through media, at least have it coherent and consistent.

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They do. As it showcases how even a cosmic energy that people instantly tag with positive or good alignment, can be used in a way that goes against what can objectively be tagged as moral, if its user wills it to.

Paladins aren’t bound to make good deeds in order for their powers to work. Blood Knights can follow Sylvanas an continue to use the Light for as long as they feel like her goals and means work for what they consider good.

No. I said that as the Matriarch of the Blood Knights, her views have probably been something passed along to the entire organisation under her.
Including her bias or skewed point of view.

Who said anything about need? And for both sides, said grudge is quite recent and relevant. Zandalari dislike elves for a reason.
Liadrin and Lorash were used to showcase an ongoing animosity against their former kin.

As long as either race feels vindicated or justified in burning alive any amount of civilians, and how that works in their peoples favour, the Light will respond, and they’ll keep working in the same line as Sylvanas.
Moral aside.

The fact that you took the time to distort and twist past arguments or statements to try and tag them as argumental fallacies (?), does in fact highlight another ongoing one you seem to favour using.
Yes, I won’t address further the bits of argumental fallacies you keep on throwing at me. And as of now, that includes Strawman, Ad hominem, virtue signalling, and even some rather sad attempt with the Waifu Card.
Try and keep it polite and to the point and I can address your argument as such.
Continue down that line, I my interest will probably fade rather quickly.

That said, done with the sidetracking.

We now know what Erevien searches on R34.

I do not see how burning civilians and raising corpses fits into the “good” category. Especially for a paladin.

I mean, even a child can understand that.

Good, I wonder whether Velen’s renewal of the Sunwell and her own redemption will pass through them.

Yeah, no. Rubbish. It has much more nuance then that, nuances you will trample over as usual.

Not really no, this is a list I started composing on the new forums for when you tell people they are using argument fallacies. Fun fact, if I included your things from the old forums, the list would have been longer then the General Lounge.

Good, that only means you will climb of my back quicker. Either way, I win.

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I assume he means the latter, poor Marcus is going to have a rough time in the future.

The fact that no one ever mentions this and Velen wasn’t forced to prove his loyalty by any means during BfA is just testament to how bad the writing is.

Liadrin. Obviously.

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I don’t see how racially prosecuting nonhuman races and hunting everyone down to burn them alive at a stake fits into the “good” category either.

If you don’t understand how the Light can be used by those that consider their acts working for their greater good, then suit yourself.

How flattering to know I can inspire such fixation. I’d recommend you at least kept your facts straight or you risk twisting the underlying message into a caricature that doesn’t even resembles what was said.
And to stop calling it argumental fallacies, or you risk making it seem as if you don’t know what the term means.

What did you win?

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And once again, faced with relatively coherent arguments, you slip into vague crap.

Example: “Paladins shouldn’t burn innocents or raise corpses.” Repeat after me.

Reply: “People within an organization will have different attitudes and mind-sets.”

Result: Me facepalming.

I am your number one fan, sign my biceps please. Further more, you do not even know how to spell it properly and despite your mighty grasp on the dictionary, you might be slipping here.

Also, I am a simple man. I will call it simply “lying”. Or “untruth.” What do you think sounds better?

:cookie: You want one too?

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I speak more about Dryads and Ancients. I think that no wild gods helped cause of the plot.

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What’s vague about that Scarlet Crusade example?

‘Conventional Paladins’ can do bad stuff for as long as they feel that what they are doing is just or right from their point of view. Light works on faith, not morals.

Blood Knights can follow Sylvanas for as long as they feel like what she is doing is right (for them, for their people, for their allies,…).
And they’ll be able to use the Light while doing so.

Good. Rather have grammatical mistakes than conceptual.

Not really. But suit yourself with that back pat if it makes you feel better.

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Minus the wild gods, pretty much everyone at the first and second battle of Darkshore was there. So they certainly haven’t forgotten about their alignment.

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Well, the fact that you only said it now. Finally, we are out in the open. The Scarlet Crusade had:

  1. A dreadlord corrupting them from within.
  2. A hellish and living nightmare on the outside.

Further more, there is also the fact that this kind of attitude requires a fanatical modicum of zealotry, which the blood knights, as far as I know, do not share.

Their entire story is the story of redemption and renewal, while the Scarlet Crusade is basically a cult which fosters hatred and single-minded determination to the point of neophytes being tortured.

Not to mention that the Scarlet Crusade had a crapload of deserters for this kind of behavior.

You also have examples of the Light abandoning paladins, like when Arthas’s powers were starting to bleed out after Stratholme. Only a hint of doubt is enough.

Well, you make both, so best of both worlds.

I can pat you too. No worries.

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It seems that it isn’t so important for Cenarius :roll_eyes:

It took one Grommash and one Axe to kill Cenarius the first time. Ain’t that big of a deal. :slight_smile: