What is something you wish you could tell your raidleaders?

I think everyone has some of these grudges or complaints on their mind, which they can’t easily communicate to their officers (for various reasons).

Here is mine:

Please just stop raiding after the raid has been out for ~12 weeks already. Yeah, alright maybe you’ll get the boss down you’ve been progressing on for the past 4-6 weeks with a few more raidnights, but you’re just as likely going to burn out a bunch of people now in you’re 16th week of raiding 2-3 times a week…

Shift the gears to fun optional alt raids or something until the next content patch drops.

Mostly its this

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Why can’t you communicate it easily with your officers?

If your goals differ from the guilds and you can’t tell them then you aren’t in the right place.

Be brave and start the conversation. You might find you’re the exception here. Equally everyone might be on board with your thinking.

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If you are in a guild were for various reasons you can’t be honest and talk it through with the officers, you are in a very wrong guild

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Esp when it’s something you’ve killed several times, or the too much wasted time in between pulls.

Tbh I’m fairly vocal though. It’s not something I don’t actually say.

I’m completely the opposite. I would happily continue raiding until the next patch is announced (and then just take a 2 week break until the next raid opens).

But honestly, I can’t see why that isn’t something you could communicate. You have a problem (you’re getting burned out) and you can propose a solution (stop raiding earlier in the tier). As Deja said, there could well be others in the raid team who feel the same way, but are equally uncomfortable speaking up.

Not always. Sometimes you can’t communicate the problem because you don’t know exactly what it is. I didn’t talk to the officers before I stopped raiding with my guild a couple of months ago because saying, “I’m unhappy, but I don’t know exactly why, and I don’t know what would make it better,” would be really unhelpful. (I did talk my friends’ ears off while I was trying to figure it out, though, and some of that may have filtered back to the officers.)

Eventually I realised my approach to raiding was incompatible with my guild’s and there were no solutions that involved me staying in the raid team, so I stopped raiding. (Finding a new guild wasn’t an option.)

Its only a game, and you’re not some great general commanding the troops

I don’t think this applies to me as I’m very outspoken when I dislike something, which mostly gets me into trouble.

But hey I’m guessing you want a story so here it goes.
One day at the start of DF I randomly reached out to the RL from one of my previous guild and asked if they had DPS slot for me. The RL said they were forming a team for VotI but didn’t have a 2nd tank and healers, so I convinced my dungeon group (IRL friends) to come as most of them could fill multiple rolls (I’m the only dps baby there). So of to raid we went, blasted normal pretty easy, and went into HC. Here is where the problems started. I will be honest and say that most players in that guild are not particularly good at the game and really rely on brute forcing fights with ilvl. We were slowly progressing HC, it was something like we would get 1-2 new kills a week (2-night raid weeks). My friends from the dungeon group were kinda getting frustrated with the pace we were moving but ultimately decided to continue because A- the people were fun to play with and B we all wanted a somewhat stable progression group. So we finally get to Diurna and here is where we hit our first wall, this was the first week we didn’t kill any new bosses. After 2 weeks on Diurna we killed her just as our second raid night was ending and managed to do a pull on Raz just to see how it compares to NM. The next week me and the dungeon group were excited to go and progress Raz, but the RL and the guild had other plans. They realized that they need gear, tier sets to be more specific as mostly none of them were doing M+. So the re-clears started to happened, 4 weeks of reclears with very inconcistant Diurna kills (one person from the dungeon group was playing evoker so you might imagine he was upset). But hey we did 4 weeks of reclears and mostly everybody had a full tier set, good-ish ilvl and the revival catalyst had been out for quite some time, It’s time to progress Raz right? Well no, because the tank from the guild only had 3/4 tier pieces and for some reason he refused to use the catalyst to convert his gear. I asked “why were we going into a 5th week of reclears, just because 1 person refuses to use a catch up system that Blizzard have put into the game”, RL answered “People still need gear we can’t do Raz”. I inspected every single person in that raid group and everyone had all they needed from the bosses prior to Diurna, everyone except the tank who was missing a tier piece. My dungeon group was getting more and more frustrated but again they gave in and joined for the 5h week of reclears. At this point some people had started to bring their alts for the reclears in case we drops weren’t needed by anyone (which started to become the case more and more), we fist went for the bosses that the tank needed for tier, Dathea was no luck but on Spider boy we finally got a drop, the tanks final tier piece dropped… And an 370ilvl warlock alt got it. As the warlock was laughing his you know what to the bank, I obviously spoke out.

ME: Wait, why did Steve* roll on that", RL answered "We don’t restrict loot rolls in our guild.
RL.: We don’t restrict loot rolls in our guild.
Me: Yes, I get that, but the only reason we are still doing reclears is because the tank needs a tier piece.
RL: Yeah, and he lost the roll fair and square.
ME: Yeah, he lost it to Steve*'s canine fecal matter warlock which was getting carried this whole night.
RL: Everyone can roll on gear in our guild.

The conversation carried out mostly in this manner, I kept questioning the decission and why the tank was refusing to just use the catalyst, didn’t get an answer and I still have no clue. The next morning I wake up to discord massage from the RL on discord.

Dear Amonet, me and the other officers talked about what happened yesterday during our raid night and we find that you called Steve “canine fecal matter” unacceptable. We do appreciate everything you have done for our raid team but at the end of the day Steve is part of the guild and you and your team are outsiders. We regret to inform you that unless you apologize to Steve you are not going to welcome to our raid any longer.

So I replied, “Ok, I didn’t call Steve CFM, I called his alt that because it was undergeared, but at least I can finally see where the priorities of the raid team are. You can tell Steve I am sorry I called his alt a bad word if he cares that much about it and don’t worry I won’t be joining your raids anymore”. Didn’t get a reply, but come the next raid night the RL had the nerve to ask me if any of my dungeon friend would be joining them for their raid, I just answered “No but I’m sure Steve will bring his CFM alt, and he is from the guild and that’s what really matters at the end of the day”.

Thank you for reading my drama time story, I know it’s not exactly what you were asking for in the OP but I hope at least someone had good laugh from reading this.

***Steve is a made up name, the person I mention in the story is not actually called Steve, so don’t at me Blizzard, I’m not naming and shaming anyone.

You’re welcome. Steve is a little snowflake from what you described him.
As for guilds, I recently came to the conclusion that nowadays, guilds are only good if you want to progress Mythic Raid.
For other activities like M+ or N/HC Raiding, Pugging is the best because:

  • You can join whatever boss / dungeon you want
  • You can leave whenever you want
  • If a player underperforms they usually get kicked
  • If you want to roll for an item, you just do, even if you press need only for transmog and nobody will judge you or tell that you need to give the item to Steve.
    Overall I had better experience with PUGs than with guilds. I killed Sarkareth HC in week 2 and with the guild in week 5 or 6.

Regarding the question of the topic, I wish I could tell my raid leader to stop bringing underperforming girls to raid just because he simps them.

and what if this is on a rp realm in the game and he actually is the general commanding the troops? :slight_smile:

Honestly, I don’t think Steve had any issue with it (idk I didn’t speak to him afterwards because frankly I didn’t care enough) I think the RL made that up as an excuse because I started loot drama.

I’m actually very a pro-guild person. I really like being in guilds and having a sense of team progression. I really dislike puging because as you said everyone is replaceable, low dps=kick, don’t like the transmog=kick. I’m overexagerating obv but you get the point. While it is frustrating I do prefer to be in a guild and seeing someone being bad and them slowly progress and become better and better, and I do like having a community that shares a hobby like this. “Maybe the real victory was the friends we made along the way and not AtoC/CE” kinda person.

Usually I don’t care who gets what or why, and in my experience it’s a guild by guild decision and case by case which loot rules work and where. I have been a part of guilds that have had loot councils that have worked better than free for all guilds and vice versa. This time it bugged me because all of us were getting tired of Erenog-Kurog, season was getting late and we didn’t have AtoC yet, and frankly we were wasting time because of unknown reasons. I still don’t know why RL wanted to do reclears, neither he or the other officers were going on alts during the reclears and they had everything they needed, neither do I know why the tank didn’t want to use the catalyst.

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Why does a dungeon team who carries this raid are “outsiders”
But Steve is a “part” and can gear his lock before main tank?

It doesn’t make much sense unless the GM has never intended to keep your team around, but saw you mostly as Freeboostiers.

If so why was GM so sure you will be gone?
:ok_man:

did they join the guild or just join raids as i am confused.

The only issue I have with this approach is that when you join pugs you’re always be doing the content with, I wouldn’t say undergeared people, but not super-geared people either. So whenever something drops which you really need chances are high you’ll end up rolling against 5-10 other people, with half among those perhaps characters who only just set foot in the raid the first time.

You get geared a lot quicker, usually, if you go with a steady team as after a while everyone will have everything already.

Tbf that guild has always had that rule, I mean I was a part of them a long time ago and they always prioritized their guild member over PuGs or outside friends of the guild.

Again no idea, and the RL used to be a friend prior to this, you might be right but I prefer to think of it as loot drama than him seeing me and my friends as “freeboosts”.

I was part of the guild during BfA (even was an officer at one point), left it at the end of BfA because the realm the guild was on was dead and recruitment was a nightmare. I reached out in DF because I was guildles in Df due to mostly skiping SL, they needed memebers for the raid team because BfA and SL had really depleted their numbers. But to be short no we were not part of the guild currently and it was a cross-server raid team.

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Calling you outsiders after all the help you all done is some what really unfair, i get they were a lil upset with a comment you made about an alt but most guilds run main>alt

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ah I see, than its just Freeboostiers treatment.
sorry.

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I agree, but from what I was told by someone else in that guild they had been really burned by revolving door raiders during SL, I mean it was really bad during my time with them in BfA aswell, I think we had ~10 people joining the guild, doing a few raids and getting loot and quiting during Nyalotha alone. I am not excusing it but my explanation to this behavior and comment is that they see me as someone who left the guild or a traitor of some sorts.

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so it makes it fair to keep new people gear their alts before progressing content?

was it somehow agreed upon before joining?
Like “we are so burned out from people coming in and gearing up and leaving us, we are a terrible guild to raid with so people don’t stick around, we also have Steve`s warlock alt covered in canine fieces btw, so we will keep you on probation term cause you are future leaver in our book and should prove yourself reliable”?

I am sure it wasn’t.