What is the Purpose of "Pass" in Group Loot?

Current Group Loot rules:

Need

  1. Player can only need items they can use.
  2. Mainspec need will always win over offspec need.

Greed/Pass

  1. Need will always win over Greed
  2. Greed will always win over Pass

Winning chance/priority: Need (mainspec) > Need (offspec) > Greed > Pass

If someone wins an item by “Greed”, it means Nobody (including the winner himself) needs the item for either mainspec or offspec. So the item will end up sold for gold.

Greed = You don’t ruin anyone’s chance to win an item if he needs it, but you get a chance for gold if nobody needs it.

Pass = You don’t ruin anything, but you lose your chance for gold.

So, if you don’t “Need” an item, why would you click “Pass” instead of “Greed” in a PuG like LFR? Just being nice and voluntarily giving up the chance of gold?

Because they don’t need that loot and they think it will be ugrade for someone else.

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Then you shall just click “greed”. If someone else “need” that loot, you will never win by “greed”.

Why would you “pass”?

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because you passing gives someone who may need the item a better chance at getting it.

it’s not all me,me,me for some players

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We were in the normal raid. Int staff dropped. Our arcane mage has a heroic version of it. He rolled greed. He won the item. He gets very surprised about it and asked the raid again seriously no one need that weapon from Terros, even for transmog, otherwise he will disenchant it. A priest wanted it for transmog.

Greed and pass are needed separately on looting.

Not everyone is a loot goblin.

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Then just click “greed”.

“Greed” doesn’t affect other’s chance to win if he needs an item.

Greed will AWALYS lose to a Need roll.

If you win an item by “greed”, it means NOBODY clicked “Need” on it.

My question is why would you “pass” instead of “greed”?

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I fail to see the purpose of “pass” here.

In your example, your guid mage doesn’t need the staff, not even for transmog. He rolled greed and won because nobody needs it. And the only use of the staff for him will be sold to vendor probably.

Then the Priest should simply roll “Greed” if he wants the transmog, because “Greed” can only win if nobody “need” it. Even if the priest lost greed roll to the mage, he can just tell him that he wants the transmog. And I am sure the guildies will happily trade the gear.

My point is that, There is no reason to use “Pass” button.

How I roll for items:
Need = upgrade
Greed = transmog or disenchanting
Pass = I don’t want the item (for example tier tokens for other classes are useless) and if I’m only after one specific item I just use an addon to auto pass on everything else because I want to get rid of the loot windows asap.

I don’t really care for the whole “But you can vendor it for gold” aspect because I don’t understand why I’d need the gold. I can just make my own potions, flasks, enchants, gems, food etc if I feel like I need those things, but since I don’t raid or do m+ I usually only go for enchants or just don’t bother at all. Also there is more than enough gold coming from basic gameplay and old content I sometimes do for transmogs.

Isn’t it obvious? If you’re not greedy you choose pass. Greed is a deadly sin after all.

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Because a plate wearer warrior without enchanting profession has nothing to do with leather loot.

It gives a chance to use unwearable loot, “dead loot” they say, to give a specific player who needs it in other manners. This famous WW monk in the guild will need 2H intel staff for MW spec but he can’t roll need. But this famous mage in the guild greed it for disenchant. Now famous mage will pass it to the famous WW monk with greed. Wanting an item for off-spec and disenchant isn’t the same thing, at least for some guilds.

Must be a guild thingy.

That must be under old roll system.

In the current Group Loot, a player can roll “need” on any items his class can wear (main & offspec)

If a player want an item upgrade on either mainspec or offspec, he shall use “Need”, not “Greed”.

The system will always let mainspec need > offspec need > greed

If you roll “Greed” on it, you will be on the same winning chance as people who can’t even wear the loot.

Honestly I feel like maybe adding more options would be for the best.
When an item is worse than the one I have, I feel guilty for rolling need. However if I want it for transmog, and others for instance just want to sell it, we both choose greed.
So I think that there should be more options. Need (main spec/off spec), transmog, disenchant, greed and pass if you don’t want to fill your bags.

WW monk can’t roll for an intel staff. It will appear greed or pass.

That is perfectly fine. And it is good that you want to completely pass.

But it is also totally reasonable and ok to greed for gold.

Because all the items won by “greed” means NOBODY needs them for upgrade. If anyone wants it for upgrade, a “Greed” will never win.

As the reason for greed, they are all valid. Greeding for gold is as valid as greeding for transmog or shard.

Some people likes cosmetics, some likes profession or gold. They are equally fine.

Yes, he can.

In current Group Loot, a char can need on any item he can wear, both mainspec and offspec.

Loot spec MW while playing WW perhaps? In this case, the WW monk should forget the DD trinket from the boss.

Yes, I can understand that.

People “Need” an item because it is an upgrade. It will always win over a greed.

But people “Greed” an item for different reason: de, transmog, gold.

Ofc Blizzard can add more greed options. But how can we decide their priority? Why would DE > gold, or gold > transmog?

Different players want different things. There is no objective standard rule for that.

I pass because I don’t care about some tiny gold or mogs.

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Of course pugging goblins will never pass on anything, but it is handy when running instances with friends.

Need:

  • This is an upgrade to any of the actively played specs for any played content.

Greed:

  • This is a potential upgrade, but can’t use it right away. Like for Mage/Priest/Warlock with Staff and an upgrade main hand/off hand weapon drops, and they still need the something for the other hand too.
  • Transmog.
  • Disenchant.

Pass:

  • Not an upgrade.
  • Not a desirable transmog.
  • Can’t disenchant, but someone else in the group can.

Can I ask something else? What does it means main spec? I play arms warrior only but whenever I roll, I lose a roll to my guilds tank which says main spec. I mean arms is my main spec why I have less chances?