Ive played 10 games as alliance. Won every single game without breaking a sweat…
I later played 6 games as horde and got stomped…
i see a common factor… in every bg there are always 2-3 hordes who got 80-90k hp. full greens or blues from lvl 80…
Why are hordes so meh in pvp?
Because every serious pvper plays alliance by now because of the massive human racial disbalance.
It is exactly as Sakkreth has written. The human racial is completely broken and can be pretty much considered as an extra equipment slot when it comes to pvp. This also being the reason that there are little to no pvp guilds on horde side and all the tryhard pvpers rolled human purely for the op racial.
If you want to win as horde you need to make 1 or 2 parties of good players and then you’ll have it. Most of time horde is 100k hp green guys without professions, gems and enchants.
Also alliance had OP racial for LK and Cata. Even if it’s not so OP in MoP, why should they reroll horde? Also Blizzard turned off cross chat with DS releasing, so most good pvp players are on alliance.
It’s not big in MoP, I’d gladly take the orc racials over the human ones. It’s not like we can take an OP PVE trinket instead of the cc breaker trinket, we’re limited to a chance-on-proc trinket instead. I’d rather have reduced stun duration and a racial on-demand proc I can trigger with my PVP on demand proc. Horde had no problem with PVP back in vanilla MoP.
You’re just clueless, human has by far the best racial.
I just explained why it’s not the best, why do you think it’s better? What do you think you gain by taking the PVP chance-on-proc trinket instead of the cc breaker trinket?
uhmm, you answered yourself there :))
The problem is not human racial, the real problem is that blizzard doesnt matters it.
Orc has the following racials/equipment;
Medallion of Cruelty - 1021crit, 398 pvppower, CC breaker
Blood Fury - 4514 attack power on demand
10% stun reduction
Human gets the following;
Insignia - 1342 pvppower, 3603 attack power random proc
CC breaker
Looking at that, humans gain 944 pvp power and a weaker unpredictable random proc while orcs get 1021 crit + 10% stun reduction + a stronger proc off the GCD you can time with your burst. They’re both great, but to pretend the human one is vastly OP compared to the orc one is silly. We used to PVP as horde in MoP without issues (and by ‘we’ I mean several guilds I was in with multi glads and RBG r1s).
Exactly, Bloodfury from orcs are sort of a mini on use that is not as potent but since they get the stun reduction, + als pet dmg for some classes, can combine it with ingi glove enchant cause they dont share the cd like with the pvp on use they can reach really close to humans offensive burst power while having a great defensive passive
Humans sweating and looking for angles why human racial shouldn’t get nerfed. Pathetic.
Most people are simply amused by your effort, you can (and will I guess) make another 1000 posts about it and blizzard wont change it.
Lol since when is explaining something ‘sweating’? I’ve given you the exact stats for humans and orcs which clearly show one offers better sustained damage and the other offers better burst and survivability. Do you ever actually bother to look into something yourself or do you just copy what other clueless people say because you’re hurt about losing in PVP all the time?
There’s not much blizzard can do to fix faction imbalance - people won’t mass faction change if alliance were suddenly nerfed. For me to change I’d need them to provide a free transfer AND give me a way of grouping with alliance friends. Not going to happen.
You left out entire on use pvp trinket for humans out of equation, not much to discuss with you.
Yes he did that but also for the orc he left out the other trinket😂
Orc has the blood fury which is the equivalent to the on use trinket human can use in addition
On use has a bit more stats but in exchange orc gets the stun reduction.
Then both have the procc trinket in this scenario
Lol both orc and human get that trinket so I ignored it.
No its not equivalent, not even close, even in s12 its weaker + x2 longer cd.
Alliance characters deal more damage, do more healing and take less damage than Horde characters. Alliance characters also have more dodge and parry compared to Horde characters. Alliance also have better racials.
Alliance players spam premades in random battlegrounds and play the overpowered classes. They can’t win without them.
Yes it is close lol! It’s on demand, so it’s much more valuable than a random proc. Also the stun reduction means they have better survivability.