i think that coupel of weeks ago players were comaring S4 to S1 because they were under delusion that blizzard will do something to counter it.
its MDI atm its obvious nothing will happen to dungeons in incoming weeks nothing will have todungeons so people just gi ve up
also with MDI ongoing its so painfully obvious that chalengers peril was put into m+ solely with m+ in mind.
the problem is blizzard just dont have balls to come out and admit - we want m+ as super challenign and if you dont like it - thats no longer content for you .
if they did it woudl put all speculations to rest and give players peace.
Because they are two different scaling systems. So the only way to compare like for like is DF S4 to TWW S1 because they both use the same dungeon system.
I’ve been burned out on M+ since Legion Season 1, because its a terrible game mode, that ruined gear progression, encourage toxic behaviour and cause nothing but trouble. I saw all this right away, and decided to stay away from it, and look where we are, 4 expansions later, and still the majority of forum posts are complaints and toxic rants about M+
M+ has no place in a game like wow, it belongs in Diablo 3 where it came from.
He might have undersold what you get. It’s not just a simple glow in WW. For my priest it’s much shinier wings, a headpiece that shines and a different waist graphic. Same with hands.
Probably the worst experience I’ve had in a couple of expansions. The class balancing has been horrendous, but there’s always some form of that.
The 11-12 key level has easily been the worst though. Normally it takes a bit of grinding applications to break into the key level above, getting a few on the board but even after timing 5 12’s, trying to tick of the final 3 has been a nightmare, can barely get into groups.
I’m used to the PUG grind so, I persist but yeh, I’d say my application acceptance rate is probably the lowest it’s ever been in a season, even when overqualified and a high ilvl. I can’t imagine this season going down as anything other than the worst I’ll have experienced for many reasons.
A shame when, the actual specs are fun to play and the dungeons aren’t so bad to me.
You literally just copy pasta’d something someone else already did. Before talking about adults speaking, scroll up, comprehend the context and then say something of value.
Then you didn’t comprehend the context.
You should really not try to low key bash people, when you clearly have issues with comprehending context. I explained what my “assumption” is based on. It’s simply different data, while the data you linked (in case you understood it?) should remind your how this is nothing but an assumption as well. Why that is, I explained further above.
So, again, keep that low key bashs to yourself, especially when you literally insinuate an assumption on my side, while literally doing the same
You talk a lot about “assumptions”. And giving ME lessons on data analysis… Hilarious !
Let me educate you:
Raider IO data is under-represented. It scans the Armory, but it’s mostly reliant on having the Raider IO addon. And additionally, players with low RIO tend to also be players with no addons (or few of them).
So the numbers, if anything, are even lower than 10%.
As for your comments regarding alts… it’s irrelevant. Say you have 5 alts and 10h a week to play those 5 alts. At best, you might only get 2500 RIO with 1 or 2. While on easier seasons with the same amount of hours you would get all 5 to 2500 RIO. Same applies for any permutation of playtime and # of alts.
And that is why Raider IO data is more valuable than the WoWHead one. Because its an underrepresented raw statistic. While the WoWHead one has taken the same Raider IO data, but post-processed it to make nice graphs to prove a point. Which is also valuable, as long as you are talking about the point WoWHead is talking about. Something you are not.
Anything else you want to point out ? Or you want to ridicule yourself even further ?
(see how I needed to say this TWICE so you got the point ? )
I dont have any m+ burn out, but i dont really play enough to get burnt out. Also i only play with my friends so for me m+ is enjoyable even when we bash our heads against the wall and deplete all 10’s we set our foot in. We’re still having a laugh on discord and having a good time.
Ok, let’s start with the lesson then. What you say makes no sense. If those alts are not tracked, according to you, why are mine tracked then? Are you trying to claim that you have tracked characters that are somehow not tracked? Like… how exactly is that supposed to work? Makes no sense.
Meanwhile you obviously have people, one-timers, who did one M+ and never again. You trying to claim those are not counted while they literally are?..
You basically literally have proven, once again, that you can’t comprehend the context.
All of this text and where exactly are you at lest attempting to explain how some random guy, playing M+ once in 6 weeks is, is not manipulating the statistic? All you do, literally, is throwing in some claims and making an argument around it. If you wanna talk like an adult, start with making arguments based on facts and reality. Not your own claims and assumptions that are literally not backed up by anything.
All I see is how you literally failed and have proven my point. The only part that makes this more fun is you not even understanding it…
Raider IO under-represents the lower tiers of the RIO scale. That is all that matters on this discussion.
It is explained on their website:
Blizzard provides third-party sites like RaiderIO access to both Mythic+ Leaderboards and a Mythic+ API. These two sources of Mythic+ data allow us to see all the runs that have been recorded during the week for a given realm and dungeon.
However, Blizzard’s API will show a maximum of 500 runs for a given Realm and Dungeon. This will be the Top 500 runs for that realm/dungeon combination at that moment in time. Once a realm has had 500 runs recorded for a dungeon, then the minimum keystone level/time to rank for that dungeon will increase as new higher keystone runs are added to the leaderboard and lower keystone runs are “pushed off” of the leaderboard.
For high population runs, these numbers can become quite high by the end of the week, preventing runs by groups of people on that realm from being ranked in the Mythic+ Leaderboard/API, and therefore not be picked up by RaiderIO.
As for alts you are mixing up so many things together. Raider IO does not differentiate between alts and mains, unless you give it permission to access your player data. Which 99% of people dont do.
What does matter is that many of those alts are NOT 2500. While in other seasons (easier seasons) many of those alts WERE 2500. Because it was much easier to reach 2500. Obviously.
Right. Read the post above and you will see that one timers don’t even get counted.
But TLDR: They dont count low tier dungeon runs. Which excludes all 1 timers, all super low geared alts, and most if not all the “low rio” community of dungeon runners.
THEREFORE : With out a doubt, the ~10% value is accurate. Or even lower. And there is nothing skewing that statistics upward. Only downward.
For someone who thinks he has no comprehension issues it’s very fun how you copy pastas some stuff from their website, which I obviously know already, that answers literally nothing I asked you.
This is not the point. Never was. Why do you still fail to understand this? The point is not what you declare as you main or alt but you actions. Obviously if you play 10 dungeons on one character, this is viewed as you main and not the character that had one +2 in 6 weeks.
Again, you literally didn’t answer ANYTHING. Do you even understand what we are talking about or do I have to elaborate further on this?
Do you understand how statistics work? If you have a billion dead chars who had like 1 run… what is the percentage taken from? From all chars, even the dead ones. And if one guy has 10 dead chars, the statistics falsely show you how as if it was 10 players. That’s the whole point. Those 10% from X don’t matter much, when X consists of like 50% being dead chars.
Did you comprehend this now? Was it clear enough?
This is evidently wrong lmao
This is not true. Check the numbers. They literally do count.
Indeed. Ty for the “lesson”
Next time you rush with your random claims, double check the data you are talking about Because this is what adults do
are they though ? raider io doest seem to track chars below 400 score. or maybe it tracks but they are not linked to your main untill they are 400 + score but something tells me thats the cut of for tracking chars at all els they would be linked to your main even at like 200 score.
I see nothing.
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