My point was not whether or not Theramore is a military target.
But that Theramore should be a lesson for the Alliance in how the Horde operate.
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Okay it was 5 years ago. However the book “Before the storm” covers events that happened before Battle For Azeroth.
It was internal conflict among the Forsaken actually. Calia Menethil felt a strong sense of guilt. She was a royal of Lordaeron that is now a ruin. So she must have been living with a sense of guilt and failure. As for the Forsaken themselves. Normally the dead stay dead but these Scourge are not. So when there was a problem among the Forsaken that was brought there. Upon the order of Sylvannas the Forsaken present were murdered by Sylvannas.
A living Menethil would be a threat to her rule as some of the Scourge…Ahem Forsaken are unable to give up their life and not accept their curse as undead.
Don’t take my word for it. The book is still out there. Before the storm. Can check it out on YouTube.
Sylvannas deceived Varok Saurfang and burned defenceless civilians alive in their own homes.
There is a stark difference between the Alliance and Horde. When the Horde are in positions of power mercy is not to be expected. But when the Alliance is we show restraint.
Zandalari soldiers died in defence of their King its people and its Kingdom.
Yet excess damage was not inflicted. Once Rhastakhan was silenced. The Alliance left. The Horde pursued.
Sylvannas motives was in service to the Jailor.
Not quite.
Have there been individual Ogres that have taken part of Horde military operations? Yes. But the Ogres are not members of the Horde.
Have there been individual High Elves that have taken part of Alliance military operations? Yes.
But the High Elves are not members of the Alliance.
Sounds like Trump Derangement Syndrome. What does the former President of America have to do with the WORLD of Warcraft?
Sshh! Dark Irons could be considered “evil” but the more pragmatic will realise that the Horde started this war so should bring the fight to the Horde. Dwarves are more used to dealing with problematic Trolls anyway.
An interesting sentiment. There is a peace treaty since the 4th War. But the Alliance will respond to Horde aggression accordingly.
Many races have prospered. The Orcs from Draenor slaughtered and pillaged sacrificed people to the Fel until the Alliance put a stop to it.
Tauren were almost extinct losing to the Centaur - Darkspear Trolls were on the verge of collaps as well but prospered under the Horde - Bilgewater Cartel Goblins - Blood Elves and more.
And how does the Horde operate? Cause I’m a bit confused of that myself.
I know, I’ve wasted my time reading that mediocre piece of crap novel. Whatever it was it does not matter. Conflict or no conflict, treason is still punishable by death, including in the Alliance. But I like the selective reasoning. Everything excuses the actions of the Alliance, nothing excuses the actions of the Horde.
How that’s possible I’m sure I don’t know. Unless you are saying the Forsaken are incredibly stupid. It was a Menethil ruling when they got killed and turned undead, it was a Menethil that killed them and turned them undead. So they’d be pretty damn stupid to submit just to that name, nevermind that Calia had no experience in ruling since she was pretty much a decoration.
On the other hand you had Sylvanas, not only did she give the forsaken purpose when they were running around desperate and scared but also carved out a place for them in the world. In Cataclysm the Forsaken were probably the most powerful racial faction in the Alliance and the Horde.
So from my experience playing a Forsaken for most of this game, I got the impression they were crazy not stupid.
But that novel royally screwed the Forsaken. From the badass undead who shrugged off gunshots to the face to pathetic zombies who die by hugs. Thanks to Madeline Rogue one of the most mediocre writers I had the pleasure of wasting my time and money on.
I said up to BFA, BFA is the moment they pulled out the villain bat and started Mists of Pandaria 2.
Yes, I’m sure the Zandalari will be ok with being the exception to the exemplary Alliance mercy that skipped them sadly. But it’s ok cause they were merciful other times with other people, so it’s cool. That it?
And the Alliance left because the bulk of the Horde with what was left of the Zandalari army was coming after them not because they were swell fellas. Truth be told dunno why they bothered running since Jaina seems to be able to oneshot the Horde as a whole. But whatever.
But I’m not talking about some random helf running around trying to get human approval. I’m talking about a faction, the Silver Covenant, who have joined the 7th legion. So what you on about?
Jaina Proudmoore sold her father and people to the Horde for she thought she could purchase peace. Peace with the Horde. When the Horde was weak the Horde had her as a mage stand aside since her participation in that fight was the difference maker.
But yet the Horde blew up Theramore anyway. This is how the Horde operates.
Not all of the lore is within the game. So it is still relevant as for what happens in the WORLD of Warcraft.
You are trying to blame Forsaken internal conflicts on the Alliance. The Alliance done nothing when Calia Menethil was murdered BECAUSE the Lordaereon people are not a part of the Alliance.
I acknowledge Alliance wrongdoings such as Camp Taurajo. The looters were executed.
There are different writers and even the legendary Chris Metzen made mistakes.
Sylvannas used the Forsaken. As an Arrow against Arthas Menethil the Lich King then as a Bulwark (shield) against the infinite. To stay out of WoW hell.
Leaders still have the ability to unite a people. Which is why leaders are removed to prevent a people from uniting. Calia felt a stronger affinity to the dead instead of the living.
Not necessarily mercy but controlled aggression. Soldiers of the Alliance are not mindless barbarians. There was a goal to put down King Rhastakhan. The Zandalari Troll defenders of Dazar’Alor put themselves in our way. They died trying to stop the Alliance.
After the job was done the Alliance withdrew from Dazar’Alor not out of fear of the Zandalari / Horde. The operation to lead them to the swamps of Nazmir was a success.
Horde intelligence failed to figure out the real attack was not Nazmir.
The strength of Jaina Proudmoore seems to have been nerfed. Gone is the woman that was talked out of drowning Orgrimmar through a giant tidal wave. She is just 1 mage.
Some High Elves participating in Alliance operations does not mean that the High Elf people or some of their forces are Alliance members.
The Silver Covenant themselves are a separate force and organisation to the 7th Legion of the Alliance.
The Alliance are friendly with High Exarch Yrell but are not responsible for the actions of that separate global superpower on alternate Draenor.
There are exceptional characters yes.
Many only focus on Jaina’s magecraft with the floating warship and magic cannons. But then ignore that Varok Saurfang 1 v 1 an army of player characters. When player characters are the most powerful force in the game.
Saurfang was actually defeated and didn’t escape. That is a huge difference. Azshara was actually dead and Sylvanas was abandoned by the Jailer. Only Jaina reigns supreme and it couldn’t be more obvious.
Do you have a source on her death? Wowpedia doesn’t seem to agree, and I didn’t interpret the cinematic as her dying either.
They thought they had succeeded, but as Queen Azshara fell, the final seal that contained N’zoth was broken. She was successful in completing her ultimate goal. Seconds later the titan mechanisms clicked into place, and a flash of light radiated out from the chamber and the magical bindings in the distance shattered. In the black abyss below a giant red eye flashed open and a shadowy tentacle shot upwards. It pierced the dome of the titan facility and embraced Azshara before jolting her back into consciousness. She was last seen before the tentacles brought her down the abyss.
There is so much envy toward the Alliance that some ignore the feats of the Horde.
Lady Admiral… the idea of the prodigal daughter returning is too inconvenient.
The thread seemed to no longer be about crimes of the Alliance.
As for Othmar Garithos. The Alliance of Lordaeron was more centralised around Lordaeron around Warcraft 3. Mixture of Lordaeron, Dalaran, some High Elf volunteers, and Dwarves and Kul Tirans.
Lordaereons and Kirin Tor are now neutral. The Grand Alliance is what exists now. Formed after the third war. When Ironforge and Gnomeragon joined. The distance between Stormwind and Lordaeron made it difficult for it to be anything but name only.
The Alliance of Lordaeron died with Arthas invasion with the scourge.
Surviving factions of the Alliance of Lordaeron are the Argent Dawn/Crusade, Scarlet Crusade, Brotherhood of the Light but not part of the Grand Alliance or the Alliance that exists today.
My point being are the Alliance responsible for the actions of Othmar Garithos?
The man himself was a human supremacists. No different to Garrosh Hellscream who tried to future a “future for the Orcs and for those who will stand with us”. Think back to Garrosh’s arguments with Voljin around domination point part of Mists of Pandaria.
So. That being said. Have to revise Lothermar Theron and High King Varian Wrynns discussions. Blood Elves that left the Alliance of Lordaeron now were in discussions to join the Grand Alliance. Until the actions of Jaina the neutral Mage independent of the Alliance that pacified Horde dissidants that some call the “purge of Dalaran”.
Envy says the person who wants to rob the Horde of Silvermoon.
It’s not envy really, it’s a disdain for bad writing and stuffing a single character with so much power that it becomes some kind of god. They did this with Thrall before they toned him down after he cheat-killed Garrosh. Now he’s just a warrior.
But let’s face it. Jaina was a good mage. Until Golden started taking an interest in her. Now she’s Golden’s avatar in WoW. And like every other avatar, such as Knaak’s Rhonin and Metzen’s Thrall, she’s overpowered to the point where, like I said before it’s amazing she does not just solo the Horde.
And by the way, Garrosh and Garithos were much different. Garithos was a prick who let his prejudice drive all his actions. He hated elves the most, even if Kael’thas proved to be very useful and did his job well, even under overwhelming circumstances, Garithos still didn’t care. Garrosh on the other hand saw non-orcs as weak however, unlike Garithos he would change his mind if a respective memeber of that race would prove he or she were strong enough to be worthy of his vision of the Horde. And I really wish people wouldn’t be so superficial and not see the difference.
Pacified Horde dissidents. Are you high? She started killing surrendering Sunreavers, most of which were civilians and she was doing it while casually walking down the street.
The nation of Quel’Thelas was created by the High Elves.
How are High Elves returning to the nation they created robbery?
Gilneans have recently returned home to their nation. No longer a displaced people. The High Elves still have a viable population. So making sure that they are no longer displaced as a people could be important.
The former was an Orc supremacist the latter was a Human supremacist (of sorts).
Horde propagandists might embellish or omit reports. However the facts should not be ignored. Sunreavers that resisted, Jaina neutralised the threats, as there were no longer guarantees of their saftey. Starting a fight and losing does not make you a victim.
Those that did surrender were UNHARMED and SAFELY escorted to the Violet Hold. Then eventually returned unharmed to Lothermar Theron.
Exceptions were made such as Aethis. Rommath admitted himself that those who resisted were “attacked”.
Despite the rivalries among the High Elf and Blood Elf peoples. Only Blood Elves that took up arms were neutralised. High Elves seem to respect the Alliance policy of controlled aggression. Although no Alliance were present at the time. The Kul Tiran people left the Alliance a long time ago. As a Kul Tiran Jaina was never a member of the Alliance at present.
It was a strange situation however the Blood Elves chose to break the neutrality of Dalaran in service to the Warchief of the Horde.
Jaina Proudmoore said to High King Varian Wrynn directly “How I run the Kirin Tor is my business”.
Rumours of Alliance and or Horde champions present during the pacifying of Horde dissidants / “purge” of Dalaran. Can not be verified.
