Can you elaborate? 
I’d like to know from what perspective.
I might be way off but as far I understood things, the Argent Dawn was the neutral organisation fighting off the scourge and such, while the Silver Hand was the more typical human paladin holy order, upholding the ideals of the paladins while protecting the northern kingdoms?
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The paladin order hall also ruined the Vindicator fantasy, the Blood Knight fantasy and the Sunwalker fantasy.
Just like how the priest order hall ruined the fantasy of any priest that serves any faith that isn’t Light-based or Shadow-based.
And how the druid order hall ruined the fantasy of non-Cenarion druids.
And how the warrior order hall ruined the fantasy of, well, most warriors.
Say what you like about BFA, but I much prefer the race fantasy it offers with heritage sets and allied races. Much better than the class fantasy of Legion.
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Some order hall stuff was really cool, but there are a couple of classes where the class identity isnt as big as the cultural/racial identity of said class, and they -completly- dropped the ball with it.
Double that failure for the priest campaign where they like druids, paladins, warriors etc just put them all into one class and removed all cultural individuality, but also made the entire story of the order hall as an addition for the Paladin story, with the priests having to beg them for help to deal with their problems.
Emo Tyrande and the Burning of Teldrassil.
Tyrande and Malfurion not giving a cent about Azshara.
Saurfang’s honor.
Any Alliance which doesn’t involve Jaina (does it even exists?)
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There’s no need for them to care. Tyrande already got her revenge, which automatically means that there cant be any more plot development for nelves for a while.
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A significant portion of the 8.1 patch was devoted to a night elven revenge fantasy, in which they transform into terrifying warriors of the night that are beating back the Horde on the continent that they were meant to have conquered.
Boiling that down to ‘emo Tyrande’ sums up how impossible it is to please fans of the night elves at this point. I’ll agree that Tyrande and Malfurion not being involved with Azshara was a mistake, but I can’t believe how some people treat the events of Darkshore as a net negative for the night elves.
I can accept that the night elves have been wronged during this expansion, with the Burning and the Azshara screw-up, but not with Darkshore.
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I mean, they kinda have, because apparently killing one valkyr means tHeY gOt ThEiR vEnGeAnCe.
which is rlly dumb
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But ‘they got their vengeance’ doesn’t negate everything that they accomplished either.
This is getting off-topic though.
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For me personally, it’s actually Nathanos character/writing that takes away any feeling of victory from Darkshore and feeling good about it.
It personally felt that it withdrew alot of victory feelings by having him do his loldodge “ENOUGH” and going away acting completly unscathed madly cackling about his own victory.
I definitely missed the part where Nathanos claimed to have any kind of victory. Last I saw of him was mister Blighty acting like a petulant child and whining “Witch! You will pay dearly for this!” before quickly retreating.
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His entire mission was about taking Sira and the other nelves bodies to ress, which he did with a victorious “YOU ARE TOO LATE”
Edit: For me personally, it felt like a really low-blow to remove any sort of victory for the nelves/Tyrande by not either having Nathanos get killed, or stopped his plan.
The fact that he both got to complete his mission, gloat about it and “ENOUGH” away with no problem is just bad. Because I remain -very- skeptical to the discussion that it was a victory because one Val’kyr died, when Blizzard can and will remember/invent more if needed.
Edit 2: Sorry for going off-topic, can move this to peet peeves if it goes on
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Skepticism is strong but have they ever done that? We’ve had that discussion once before and I cannot recall if you’ve proved that blizzard have ever mystically added more val’kyr. This does seem to be one aspect they’re keeping consistent.
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I remember the discussion ![:slight_smile:](https://d1bg94bbsh66ji.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=6" ":slight_smile:")
, and you’re right in that they haven’t done that with them specifically, and they have been fairly consistent with their numbers. My reason for saying it is speculation and skepticism, since Blizzard have in other cases however, invented things on the fly for plot convinence, and with how they seem to be progressing the story with Nathanos & Sylvanas, I feel like it is a strong possibility in the future, but it is all just personal skeptical/pessimistic speculation
I am also rather biased in it, since as I mentioned in our previous dsicussions, I was never a fan of how they wroten in the Val’kyrs with Sylvanas.
Edit: I should add that the plot convinent inventions isnt just a forsaken/horde issue, but rather prominent in the Alliance story. Most of what Jaina does/can do, and the night warrior are both two -massive- examples of this.
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Yeah all fair points. Blizz be blizz.
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Well, I’m the Silver Hand hipster. Went at the lore like an obsessive weeb goes at ranking top ten best girls. So the Silver Hand was established to stop the horde and later worked with the crusade to bring justice to arthas. So their stance to stop the Legion was all very well and good. Worked out fine. However, the execution of a number of bits and pieces like the little ceremony where the nigh elf paladin is inducted makes changes to the previous vows of the silver hand that have been established in two books on three seperate occasions.
Additionally, the Silver Hand has been described as being greatly ceremonial in the novels, the hightening of this to the point where every paladin becomes the leader of the silver hand cheapens the degree to which the silver hand is this otherwise elite and venerable organisation.
In review, its perhaps me being a bit stingy for what was. The silver hand existed in the background, and so it wasn’t something people were obviously a member of, despite the fact that since vanilla all human and dwarf paladins have been inducted to the order by level 5.
I guess, in summary of my feelings. I think its that, the paladin order hall brought the silver hand to the foreground, but only focused on the aspects of the silver hand that involved beating the snot out of demons and saving azeroth while neglecting the world building importance of what Knaak suggested was an overly ceremonial order.
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As someone who digs Vindicators, trust me, we hate the paladin order hall too.
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get out you boring inhuman concept
only classic paladins
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TBC blood knights are sick, I refuse to hear otherwise
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ye
but
not in the silver hand right