What went wrong with wow

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I just want to kindly point out that in entertainment product like a computer game everyone is lazy. No one is doing anytihng productive, no matter how important they think their activity in game is. This is not Dead End Job Simulator, this is World of Warcraft where some people adventure around in open world, some do dungeons, some pvp, some do raids, all in their own difficulties they find FUN. Because this product is ment for entertainment, for people to enjoy on their leisure time.

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Lazy in sense of not wanting to do anything even remotely challenging or to improve yourself as a player, i’m not saying this as top end content, but to say mythic0 and normal raid are too hard and you’d quit if not for free gear, is as lazy as it gets.

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But it has nothing to do with being lazy if someone does not do harder content. It is matter of what they prefer to do in the game. You are not seriously saying that people don’t do “challenging content” just because they don’t bother? Like everyone would be doing it otherwise but not doing it because of “Yeaaa, i could do mythic Jaina now but eeeeeeeh i think i just go watch reruns of the Friends”.

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It is if they demand for any rewards other people get to be given to them. They want the game to adapt to them, and that leads to where game is currently. This is much more common on US forums.

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I disagree to your whole post.

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If WoW hadn’t changed, it would have died years ago.

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There are many alternatives of how WoW could’ve changed, ruining loot progression and communities (sharding and crossrealm) is not the best change.

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Basically everything that can go wrong…

Now that doesnt stop blizzard to launch out things fanboys drool for. Alltho the changes are on the terms of prob 1% of the player base. Top pvpers and top pvers.

Now im looking forward to Vanilla. A game where you set the pace and its on your terms.

This package of dogpoo is soon to be gone :slight_smile:

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That’s not what I said.
You said “regardless of changes”. That’s simply not true.
If, for instance, they went back to the old ‘raid or die’ days of vanilla, I would stop playing. Because I know that the game would not have enough content to keep me happy for any extended amount of time.

I am not against putting in any kind of work. My achievements should prove this.
However, I AM against doing content I don’t enjoy. That’s not to say that is what I already do; I don’t particularly enjoy LFR, but it’s the only way to experience the storyline conclusions and raid content. But at least there I have a choice whether I want to do it supercasual and with randoms or that I’d have to get into a raiding guild, adhere to their raid schedule, do my best to perform at my peak (meaning getting the best gear I can before entering, getting consumables, buffs, enchants. Doing the research for tactics etc). I did all that stuff in the past when I raided. But it’s just not fun to me anymore. And at the end of the day, that is why I play games; for fun.

So no. It’s not a case of being lazy. At all.

I DO want to progress my character, that’s my whole point.
But I don’t want to be forced into content I don’t want to do in order to get any sort of progression. Again, that’s not FUN to me.

Now, neither is getting handed free loot just for logging in. That’s not fun.
But there’s a huge gap between being handed free stuff for LITERALLY nothing and doing content and getting rewards. Because I’ve LITERALLY NEVER been handed any free loot. I’ve always done something for it.

Do I think warfronts reward too high ilvl for the content they are? Yes I do.
Do I think that it’s free loot being handed out? No. No, I don’t.

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So, how is it going to be gone when you need to have a Sub to play your much vaunted Classic?

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Classic is the dogpoo. And I’m pretty damn sure that time will prove me right.
Yeah, there will be a small, hardcore fanbase, but most people will try it, discover ‘oh hey I didn’t remember this horrible stuff, it seems I forgot a lot of the bad stuff that vanilla had’. And they will quit.
Classic is a dream. Expecting it to be like the vanilla experience is unrealistic. Because everything else besides the base game, including you, has changed.

And if you honestly believe the real version of WoW will be gone soon, then you are very much going to be disillusioned.

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To be honest what the OP wrote is not about what went wrong with WoW but a disguised rant at LFR / Casual players.

Its a thread i have seen writen many times before in many shapes.

The game changed, not everything changed for the best thats for sure but if there is one thing i know is that if the game had been the same since 2005, it would be dead by now.
Sure, maybe 100k fanatics would still play it but thats about it.

The game has flaws? Yes of course.
Is it worse now? Nop, not even close.

This is my humble opinion.

Cheers

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sry but its aint about that.

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Well, I agree to a certain point. It’s embarassing seeing a 405 ilvl geared mage doing less than 10k in a high key m+.
I don’t think WoW is as appealing to the new generation as it was to mine. They’re just not pulling as many new players as they did in their prime. They make it easy for the Fresh players to get gear to keep them playing. If they do not feel they Get rewarded rather quickly, why would they continue subbing?

Its very transparent, and think of it however you like, but its all about keeping the new players they lure in. I don’t like it, but I Get it.

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I don’t know specifically but something happened that really killed off new blood coming to the game.

When i’m on a low level toon I hardly ever see a non-loomed leveling player. In every dungeon its 5 people in looms, people in the world are always loomed. This is just my perspective on what i’ve seen.

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Yes of course, everyone has their preferences.

The general consensus though from my observation is that people generally liked classes more in MoP, where everyone had much more abilities.
Classes nowadays have been pruned so much and much of the classes play/feel the same because they work on almost the same system, like get resource -> spend resource. It makes them feel shallow.

People miss their non damage abilities, the ones that bring flavor to a class and not just repeating a rotation of 5 buttons that classes are now.

My point still stands though, people generally do not like BfA and its content because the classes they play do not feel fun like they used to because of all the unnecessary pruning they’ve had.

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People here mention the journey is the important thing. Why does it matter than when Jaina doesn’t drop an upgrade ? Wasn’t fighting her the goal ?

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A joy to read and beautifully written :slight_smile: A minor point though - I agree with everything you’ve said :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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What when wrong was class pruning.
They made everyone the exact same.
Alot of the complains woundnt be so bad if the classes wherent so boring to play.

A mage when from class cannon to just an other clothy dps.
Paladins are selfhealing tanks of mass slaughter as a blood death knights.
Druids when from jack of all trade to single specc focus, forgetting the entire appeal of druid is being able to do everything on the fly.
Warlocks basicly become slighty more interesting mage’s aka a dps class with no real power.

This is what is making wow boring more then anything else.
Mage’s dont feel like the glass cannons they want to be.
Warlocks no longer have the power to total party kill with urber demons that made farming shoul shard worth it.

Druids are forced into a single minded specc.
Shamans lost there totems.

In short.
Give is class fantasy back and you will see complains going down.

When i play a warlock i want to play a caster who deals with powerful and dangerous being.
When i play mage i want to see my spell one shotting normal mobs and 2 shotting elite’s.

I want warriors, paladins and other not clothy classes to do less damage as a balancing act for being harder to kill.

I want a druid to be a jack of all trade’s.

I want my charater to be unique and not copy pasted.
The talant tree right now is 2 bad skills and 1 decent one.
In short we want our classes and race’s to mean something.

I think this is what causes alot to look forward to classic.
The return of class fantasy.

Make classes unique and different again!!!

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I agree with you… but i Think 2019 average player never has the commitment to learn well his class if complicate. The pruning was done to appease all .

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