Now please show me which book said exactly that all the elfs and shiney places belonged to alliance? This my fellow hordies is the alliance greedyness and selfishness which i personally cannot stand.
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There isn’t any book… but just like Paladins, Druids, Mages, so too elves and humans are mainly an alliance theme.
This has been mxed up a lot by putting elves on the horde, and we all accepted it to help the horde numbers go up, but these aren’t native horde races, and are present predominantly ont he allinace, and need to be re-asserted there first.
You do realise blood elves are derived from alliance high elves, and nightborne from alliance Night elves, the Kingdom of Quel’thlaas, and the night elf empire, including Surmar are original birth and home places of the high elf and night elf who still remain on the alliance despite thier decimated numbers.
It’s the same thing for Mages, Palas and Druids - these are predominantly tied to alliance races and lore, Mages and druids originate from the night elves who are on the allinace, Palas from the humans - we accept the horde has these classes, but the lore, presence, acitvity and strength of them should be far more prevalent on the alliance.
Meanwhile Orcs/Tauren/Trolls and Goblins as well as Shaman, Warlocks, melee classes etc should be dominant on the horde. Dk horde (undead theme, orc origin) , DH alliance (night elf thieme, night elf origin), hunter stronger on the horde too (with the elves and worgen being the main alliance strneght for hunting just as the Forsaken Nightborne and Blood elves are the horde’s main strength for mages) but it’s not that big a thing there cos those races aren’t that big ont here.
This is how oit should be… people love that identity for the alliance, and while you can enjoy being a blood elf on the horde, that isn’t changing, that race should be more prevalent and stronger on the alliance.
Look if blizzard keep favouring elves on the hore, nothign is going ot change. They dilute the faction identity of the horde, and handicap the alliance, iwth humans the only go to for most major alliance issues when it should be humans and elves.
It must hurt you since we got both. the high elves and the nightborne? And with the new customizations blood elves can look like their original selfs. What alliance needs is not to steal from horde its to get something completely new . No more elf races to any of the sides both need some new blood.
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Tuskarr. nuff said.
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Honestly, it needs less bad propaganda. The Alliance is filled with teary eyed liars who claim the Alliance is dead and beyond resurrection, who claim the Horde gets all the stuff while they are being forced to watch the Horde play with their stuff from their proverbial basement prison Blizz has locked them into. Get rid of those and things might improve.
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It’s been a while, i woudln’t say I’m hurt, I understood why, although Nightborne were not necessary, and that was just favoritism, alliance should have gottne both Nightborne and high elves tbh… the horde should have horde focuses, it’s the alliance that’s in trouble at the moment, majorly. and they can help it by re-invograting thier elves.
They have the main core elven races - high elves and night elves - and with them are many variations such as Void elves, highborne, Illidari - including fabled institutions related tot ose races such as the Moonguard, the Magisters and Farstriders, the Order of Elune - with a lot of magic that hasn’t really been exposed.
I understand it was all to buff hte horde and make it more appealing,b ut now the alliance needs that.
The horde identity and appeal should return to it’s original races and original hteme, and take advantage by making more of new comers like vulpera and Pandaren, in addition to trolls, Tauren, goblins adn orcs… but teh shared races like human forsaken and elves (nightborne/blodo elves) should take a back seat and minor role,a nd lose their strength and assets to the alliance.)
The counter would be a strengthening of the position of the horde Pandaren, the Vulpera, the Tauren, Trolls and orcs - it’s more a refoucsing. You won’t be losing playable nightborne and blood elves, it’s just that the best of their stuff will return to the actual origin groups that are on the alliance. They are one of the things that are most popular and loved of the allinace, so they shoudl be improved there.
Oh wow…thats all i have to say to you. Goodluck with that dream 
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The hall of fame players are really not interested in being an elf or a goblin. They are not switching faction when they invent another pretty elf for alliance.
Blood elves joined the horde because the alliance betrayed them, why would they like them after that? The nightborne joined the horde, more like followed the elfs inside the horde because they were the only one who truly helped them, yes you can say that the alliance was there too but that was just so the alliance players can play the quest too, if you doubt that just watch how keen Tyrande was to help them after talked liked to Thalyssra like a trash when they really needed the help. On the other note, the alliance would instantly lose the Death Knights, and probably the demon hunters too basing on the overpowering racism they have againts anything “not normal”, like when the lordaeron was recaptured from the dreadlords or whatever they were and the people there tried to rejoin the “alliance” but got declined because of their curse. Thats why they call themselves the Forsaken and hate the humans that much as they were betrayed at the worst time like the belfs were.
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What is this, alliance you speak of?
And the whole of Feralas should then be given to the Blood Elves and Nightborne, where Eldre’Thalas is their capital City and the surrounding areas belong to them. Perhaps the Eastern side is more Blood Elven and the Western side, leading to Desolace is more Nightborne.
Isildien is the place of worship. Nightborne and Blood Elf Priests tear down that old Elune Temple and replace with some that is akin to their tastes.
Feathermoon Stronghold becomes the place where Duskwatch Warriors and Farstriders train.
Estulan’s Tower is torn down and replaced with a Blood Elf tower - perhaps the one similar to Sunstrider Isle, where we see the class trainers. This could be wear new characters start and we have to beat back night elf incursions, as well as a few Satyr, Demons and Naga.
Eldre’Thalas is where the main citizens and the Mages and Warlock train.
They tear some of the Feralas trees down and the Blood Elves use their magic to bless the entire region into an eternal spring.
They then work with Tauren Druids to restore the Southern parts of Desolace so the Mannaroc Cavern and the Centaure regions are claimed, restored and glorified into part of the Blood Elven and Nightborne Empire.
Night Elves are completely pushed out of the regions and their only holdings are that of Northern Kalimdor.
The whole of the region is patrolled by Duskwatch Sentinels, Warriors and Nighthunters and Blood Elven Blood Knights, Farstriders and Warriors
Haha, not going to be dreaming about that, just stating my thoughts, blizz will do something entirely differnet and frankly im not convinced they care one iota whether the alliance is made popular or playable again. Most senior devs love the horde, and find the alliance boring, and they are the very architects of why this is the case.
They make the alliance less attractive, don’t write it equally or well, shunt most of it’s attractive assets ot the horde, and wonder why they find the horde more attractive?
Well that’s neither here nor there, will they do anything about it? i’m highly skeptical do I dream that they would? I’m not into hopeless dreams.
I’m not sure you realise that writers create all these reasons to serve the purpose of giving the horde these races and for it fitting in the storyline. It equally stands to reason that if they decided to strengthen the alliance and make it more attractive by re-enforcing it’s core races and themes and it’s favourites they would write new compelling reasons that see the rise in prominence annd stature of the elves on the alliance.
So it doesn’t really matter why nightborne or blood elves joined, this isn’t about removing the blood elves from the horde nor the nightborne, it’s about returning the main focus and best parts of the elves to the night elves and the high/void elves.
You forget how selective the writing is. Thigns only happen this way because they want this here, and that there. Imo, DKs should be stronger on the horde, playing a much larger role, because they are both undead, which is connected to horde race forsaken and their origin is with the orcs, even though Athas was the most famous DK, remember it was Ner’zhul and Teron Gorefind that started the whole shabang.
Demon hunters are core to the night elf storyline, stargin wtih Illidan, blodo elves only coming in in TBC, this leans the Illidari heavily towards the alliance.
Being on teh alliance doesn’t mean they need tob e accepted, that’s another error you aremaking, DHs are bound by their strong ethic and devoiton to their cause, whether their people accept them or not. Sure the stigma shoudl have changed afterl egion, to some degree, but regardless of that they would still fight and help their people evenif theya re still shunned. or at least it can be written that way and nothing we can do about it. They don’t have to be holding hands in friendship to have a much bigger role on the alliance. You just write it so, because they are tied to an alliance race predominantly, and the other hero class race is stronger themed for the horde.
Exorsus are going Alliance by the looks of it for first raid in Shadowlands, we may see others do the same.
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And the Death Knights are more inclined to the Horde, due to the first death knights being Orcs and Ner’zhul was an Orc.
So, Horde loses DH and Alliance loses DK.
No because you don’t deserve it.
If their are problems with your favorite races’ writing style, it is up to you to raise those concerns with Blizzard.
You can’t demand two different races have their writing styles completely downgraded because your feelings are getting hurt.
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Not because of pretty elves, because of the dwarven racial. You are proving the point your opponent made (maybe you meant to confirm it).
Well, I thoguht they were going to give the horde all of Kalimdor anyway, and the alliance eastern kingdoms… iM sure Forsakena nd blood elvs would still fight for Lordaeron and Qule’thalas, and night elves new home in the broken isles, if that’s war rather than peaceful co-existence with nightborne, i’m sure w’e d have nightborne trying to get it back, just as night elves would be trying to get kalimdor back.
the point of giving the faction continents is not to stop the fighting but to enhance it. Even with Night elves new home in Suramar and the broken isles, and high/void elves returning to Quel’thalas and possessing it, NElves are still going to want Kalimdor back and Belves gonna want Silvermoon back. Foraken are still gonna want Lordaeron back, even if their new home is in Icecrown and Theramore as another colony, they’ll still fight for it.
you have to have war. Wihle I’m sure the Shen’dralar will want Dire Maul back even if Suramar is their new home. etc…
Kinda proves that looks and writing aren’t the big factors here.
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I was agreeing with the point that they change to gain whatever advantage.
I would have thought that was blatently obvious and didn’t need me to spell it out, my mistake. 
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Nope.
You robbed those lands from the Blood Elves and Nightborne, and they will never join with thieves and thugs.
Blood Elves and Nightborne will move together and they WILL take over Feralas and remove any night elf presence from the forests.
You don’t deserve to have Nightborne or Blood Elf assets on the Alliance, if you think that treating them this way is good.
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For some reason i liked alliance more in wow classic and in vanilla, up to maybe tbc. Then i just felt the horde suited me better for some reason i cant explain.
Even if it might not be correct view of it do i feel the alliance are way to proud about themselves, like the “upper class”. and the horde for me feels more natural and the working class people.
just my view of it.