What would make the alliance more popular?

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Everyone else having a conversation about the state of racial representation in game, Human Male Paladin meme storms in “Did I forget to diss the Horde again? The Horde are rubbish!”, Everyone else goes back to their conversation.

Adults are talking, remain silent.

Yeah it is. I mean, yeah, we get it, Trolls and Elves are the ancient civilisations, OK, kinda like the Greeks and Romans in our world, but given the Dwarf/Gnome/Titan connection, you’d have thought more could be done with that. Because yes, whilst humans too are Titan descended, Gnomes and Dwarves have a specific place, and a specific thing, Stone and Metal, whereas humans genuinely seem to have just been an accidental birth defect that got carried forth, so there would be less residual evidence. Gnomes and Dwarves however are far too underused. There were a few times where you were like, “Oh, Dwarves are getting some attention” and then it just swapped back to the Humans and Pals show. Which is garbage. Trolls and Tauren get the same treatment on Horde. If it ain’t their racial leader nothing happens. They don’t have any support cast, and that means when they get written out (as is the destiny of Horde Characters) there is not really anything to replace them with.
At -Least- they have now changed this for Gnomes and Dwarves I guess. If Mekkatorque dies, Prince Erazmin becomes King Erazmin and probably Kelsey Steelspark as his advisor. Magni’s a neutral factor, but the whole thing about the Council of the Three Hammers is that, well, there are three of them!
Gnomes had a recent chance to shine a bit, with Mechagon and Mekkatorque being a Mekkatorque sized absolute -Unit- in the Fourth War, and I think, yes, it is time we got some serious Dwarven involvement in major events. I have seen a cutscene (No Spoilers) Which has Muradin prominent in it, so there may be hope on that front.

Standard Kim stuff, she has nothing to substantiate what she is saying, so we can disregard this.

No, you have been called out on this many times before, and you refuse to provide any facts or lore. Now let the grown ups have a conversation.

This, subtly different Kim however, gets the message.

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No your not more horde in fact people dont condsider you a true horde at all. So its you that should get over yourself not me. And what do you know about if theyre going somwhere or not? You are not the horde so stop acting like you can speak for it

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Yes i do as i have already proven so its you that have nothing to say as you still refuse to face facts and just make up lies when people prove you wrong.

Yes i have provided facts many times as the lore proves its you who dont give any facts so ones again you if anyone scant say “let the grown up speak” as you are just acting like a child when people prove you wrong

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You speak only for yourself. Don’t embarass yourself. Pathetic moo man.

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No i dont as its shown that blood elves dont belong in lore. Its you that only speak for yourself

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Your comment about supporting chars is actually really on point. This is what contributes to humans and friends and orcs and friends.

Regarding the humans and orcs, they have racial leaders in the fore as well as several characters we see pop up here and there, and we see their development. For example Admiral Rogers, Gryan Stoutmantle, Tyrion, Baros Alexston…orcs you got Nazgrim , Saurfang, Eitrigg, Gul Dan, etc.

Even nelf have a couple with Thisalee Crow, Shandris, Shadowsong etc. Same for forsaken with Lillian Voss, Nathanos, Putress (for a bit),

With other races there’s a tendency to have their racial leader and that’s largely it, except for maybe some supporting chars who appear once and that’s it. I will say with gnomes this has improved with Steelspark and Tinkmaster Overspark appearing again.

But so many other races…where are the chars from our starting zones who we’ve seen “made it” and out and about again? The familiar faces? Far and few between. There needs to be more of them so these races have a face beyond their faction leader tbh. Or more utilisation of them in the generic roles where humans and orcs are used.

It’s what I liked about Howling Fjord. You have that keep (Westguard I think) and the generic commander issuing orders to the soldiers there is a dwarf, and the soldiers are multiracial, dwarves and humans, so it’s clearly not just a “token race outpost”, they’re part of the alliance proper immersed and filling roles a human could fill, but it just happens to be a dwarf say.

They need to do this more. Horde outpost quest hub. Make the commander a tauren, or troll, or hell go for it, goblin or belf even. Or an allied race even.

Too much of “human in charge, human soldiers, human everywhere, one dwarf by the anvil, a gnome selling engineering stuff and probably a draenei in a corner advising” going on. I get tropes but shake it up a little blizz please.

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As per title: Cookies and ice cream should do it.

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Whipped cream?

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While its true she is pretty much alone in her delusions it probably wont help using derogatory terms in your replies to her. Remember that twelve year old girls are often very volatile and upsetting her on purpose will probably just escalate things in the wrong direction

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Yeah, I’d agree, and that needs to change. A way of making the Alliance more fun to play, is to -make- it an Alliance. Not a Tolkien rip off.

Dwarves aren’t the Human’s short beardy pals, they have their own history, divisions and lore, expand on it, and not with some crystalline diamond dude, but an actual elaboration as to the nature of Earthen and how and why Dwarves think the way they do. Even simple things, like "Why are they Alliance? Do they have common goals, or is it simply geography and luck that led to this? What are the fundamental differences between Dwarves and Humans? It can’t just be that they look like shorter versions of the band ZZ Top!. This is a whole separate -Species- with it’s own intricate history. So -why- are the Dwarves in the Alliance? We know they have a capability for wickedness, because of the newly returned Dark Irons, so -what- is it about the Alliance that made the Dwarves go “Yeah, we’re signing up for that”?

People forget, Dwarves are a whole different species. They’re not short beardy humans, but a Species with a unique ancestry, that lives longer, and still has traits from ages past that allow them to do absolutely superhuman things.

I always maintain when people think about Dwarves, Elves and Gnomes and go “They’re just Humans with X” that they need a wake up call.

That is not what they are. They are completely different! They are different, their history is different, their culture, their leadership style, the general nature in which their people think, everything. They are not just “Humans with X” Whether ‘X’ be long ears, beards, or massive nuts for a head. They are alien species to each other, and trying to conglomerate them in some lazy way under a human ruler is massively missing that point.

Moira does not think like Mia Greymane, or Vereesa Windrunner. Muradin does not think like Anduin Wrynn, or Rommath.
Lor’themar does not think like Genn Greymane or Falstad Wildhammer.

Elves, Humans and Dwarves all have different agenda, different ways of thinking, and different history.

So let them be different.

I -loved- seeing the Alliance fighting in Krasarang, you had humans in Stormwind Plate, you Had Dwarves in traditional attire, Gnomish and Kaldorei stealth operatives, Draenei doing their full on Vindicator sctick.

And it looked -Awesome-. Like a proper Alliance, a League of Nations that had come together to fight a war.

Now, Everyone is wearing Stormwind Plate. Regardless of race, it’s all about the human now.

I mean sometimes that doesn’t even make sense! Do they have different Stormwind Helms for like, the Draenei who often rather famously have horns? Did they change the Gauntlets because like, Gnomes have a thumb and three fingers, not a thumb and four fingers like everyone else?

They homogenized the Alliance too much, when it actually looked it’s best when it -was- disparate races working together, rather than a one size fits all motif.

They were kind of getting it right, during MoP, and I think they need to go back to that to a degree, and look at the thematics and try to recreate that, rather than having everyone be in a Stormwind Plate set, because that is pathetic, unrealistic and would be a ridiculously unnecessary drain on resources in game. Why would Stormwind go to that trouble, when -EVERY- other Alliance race is -quite- capable of arming and armouring their own troops.

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One image is stuck to my head, from Vanilla cinematic. The dwarf with his bear pet, on top of the mountain and Ironforge in the background. Such a deep and beautiful story told in only a few seconds.

Or the beautiful Blood Elf draining the mana wyrm in the TBC cinematic.

We need more of these! We need to have each race properly represented.

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Yeah, That Dwarf was just powerful as heck. In fact I think the soldier’s at Krasarang were in that gear, so Dwarven Mountaineers, but yeah, that proper gave a feeling of a separate race and separate people, I loved it!

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That goes without saying.

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Let us be fair, if someone asks the question “Whipped cream?” it is very rare that the answer would be “No” except for those with lactose intolerance… :slight_smile:

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1024

Ok, ok let me be edgy:

Whipped cream > Pizza.

There. I said it.

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I’ll take chocolate over whipped cream any day

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I love the part where the blood elf female looks so beautiful and elegant and in the end shows her true colors. From alliance point of view hm…i guess i was mostly attracted with the legion cinematic when it came to alliance, the night elf from the classic cinematic might have been my fav alliance part.

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Like i told you before im not a girls and its you that acts like a kid here impersonating other peoples characters just to insult

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That is Blizzatd getting Elves -right-. They are not Legolas clones, they are not the do-gooder sidekicks to Humanity, they are fierce, savage, and yes, cruel and merciless at times, Just the way they were in our old legend and myth.

Can you shush, we’re trying to talk about ideas to make the Alliance more popular here.

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No i wont shush when he is insulting me