Geninune question, no hate, we know ion said in a interview, that theyd consider adding more support options to the gsme based on the reception of augs introduction.
Now.
This means, aug will either flourish, become mandatory for the rest of the expansion, with likely tweaks to prevent things such as that 17 second kill happening. And we will see the introduction of a proper support role, with a increasing pool size.
Or aug will be nerfed into oblivion to prevent such, and then being dead til 11.0 when it will be reworked into a normal dps and we will see the experiment go down as a failure and end
Whats everyone census here tho, curious to peoples pros and cons in a situation alike this as its basically at the concepts rawest in terms of whats going on currently.
I do like the idea of the support role. I always pick healers/support first in games. In WoW it will take some time to adjust to it in the community and gameplay wise.
I do not play progressive group content atm, so no experience with the evoker.
I think it might need to be labeled i groups as âsupportâ tho, like we have with healer, tank and dps, unless itâs as strong as a dps, which is where the issues probably would start.
Imo, the support role as a premise is fantastic, but as predicted theyâve introduced it in the worst way possible.
A fourth role needed to come in the form of additional specs for every class simultaneously (or a handful at bare minimum), not as a late one-of-a-kind spec for the latest one.
Itâs completely impossible to balance in this iteration. If itâs strong you mandate that every group have one spec out of a possible 35+ (39?), and if itâs weak it is functionally and objectively pointless.
While i agree, this makes it impossible to balance. As support itself to be useful, must be demanded.
I dont think its the worst, as much as i think this was gonna be bumpy AF.
Risk launching multiple supports specc unsure if it will flop or not and end up with a large amount of wasted productive time, to then spend even more undoing it. Or launch one see if it works but have 1 specc become mandatory.
Also mid season, so again a bad time situation.
Im hoping in season 3, with it being able to go back to ptr, we may see some improvements and adjustments to reduce this tho.
A support role for sure would be good, i think visually it will prevent people assossate themselves being replaced, as it chsnges the dynamic with the fact theyre waiting on a role. Alike a tank jealer or dps.
Im also hoping in season 3, we atleast see one current class gain a fourth specc as a support, to atleast aliviate the 1 specc only situation in a role.
Anyway I like the new support spec for Dracthyr. Their a far cry away from what Paladins where supposed to be in Classic wow. Their boost is significant. As long as people stop having a tunnel vision on the dps meeter about them.
I really like aug but for there is such a big difference between playing it in 5 man and playing it in 20 man
It is really exhausting in a 20 man raid to be constantly looking at the fight time and trying to predict which DPS are going to use their CDs next
In five man itâs some like. Lol press button on cd. Dragon go burr.
In raid
Last night I was doing something like
Ok itâs pull lets get it on the unholy DK and demo lock. First set runs for 45 seconds. Oh no the other aug evoker was too close to me they got one of the random buffs I guess I need to let these drop off and re buff it
Ok itâs 30 seconds into the fight I want to keep it on the demo lock but also move it to to the fury warrior and the enhancement shaman. So I will pop crit on the lock then face dive I to melee for the next ebon might cast at 50 seconds
Ok that ebon might is up next one is at 1:20. Demo lock will tyrant at 1:30 but there is a knock back so I want to delay the ebon might a few seconds. Mage will combust at 1:50ish and the hunter will get pi at 2 min. So letâs crit buff the lock and the mage and try reposition to get the hunter too and then line the up into a breath of eons.
Nice that convers the 2 min set ok next one is at 2:30 who the duck has high DMG at 2:30. I guess itâs back to the fury warr and the enhancement shaman. But also the unholy DK and the lock are gonna pop off at 3 min so letâs dive into melee and start thinking about crit buffing the unholy DK and the demo lock for the next set.
Oh wait but the demo lock delayed his last tyrant so he wonât actually pop right away and the unholy do has to do a soak at 3 min so I need to delay that for about 15 seconds. And line it up with my trinket. But that means my 4 min set is gonna be late. Oh but time skip will come off cd so many I can use that to line up the 4 Min se
Ok letâs start buffing the pi targets for the 4 Min set. Oh no the priest died⌠WHO THE DUCK DO I BUFF this is my breath window quick think who else has 4 Min CDs⌠Fiddle slicks I guess Iâll default to the melee they have DMG all the time right. Ok ebon might breath of eons oh no. The hunter just died with all my buffs. Well there goes my burst.
4:30 who dose DMG at 4:30. I guess the demo lock and the melee. Oh but the demo lock delayed his tyrent and then had the soak so is his tyrent even going to be ready or should I put this one someone else
And so on.
Anyway doing that while progressing a new mythic boss with fine positioning knock backs and a lot of other mechanics was a giga brain drain.
Im pressuming a easy fix for this would be to exclude buffs to your party instead of raid, meaning all ur buffs only affect the 2 dps in the group with you.
Only reason its gonna get reworked is if it flunks and becomes a regular dps tbh
I donât like classes that just become mandatory for raids/m plus. Not to mention that they donât even show on damage meters properly and logs are doing their best closest guesswork.
As others pointed out already, Augmentation was introduced in the worst most disruptive way possible.
And by the way, Support category is not the only category in existence. For example, an overlooked category is Ranged - Melee dps.
So when blizz does classes that are ranged/melee there is variety. And they design encounters to not favor one or the other too much. Sure, some bosses are easier if you are ranged, other if you are melee.
But overall there is balance. And because there is balance, there is no drama and nobody even considers the melee/ranged issue.
Augmentation they did the exact opposite. They introduced it to only ONE class, and did not prepare the encounters to have an Aug evoker. And specifically in 5man content, Aug not only buffs dps, it also buffs healers and has the largest list of utility I have ever seen.
Its too disruptive. And because of it, everyone will begin to hate it. Regardless of if a Support spek is conceptually a good thing for the game.
They do less dps than the tanks and healers in most groups ive done.
But maybe they should get their own tab in the premade finder? Right now I cant see if the dracthyr I invite is a Aug or devestation. Its a gamble to invite them really.
Maybe it would do everyone a favor it got its own role in the premade finder? Next to tank and healers and dps as a support role option.
If ââSupportââ got their own role. Then at least everybody would know beforehand what they invited to their group. And nobody could flame the Aug Dracthyr for their DPS meeter.
If they add more specs like augmentation they really should give them to classes that are currently purely damage dealers so people whose favourite class is hunter, rogue, warlock, or mage arenât forever barred from a support role. Perhaps it would shorten damage dealer queues as well.
Maybe even create different types of support such as a spec that buffs healing or defense instead of damage so that a group that is struggling with lets say having an undergeared tank or an inexperienced healer could choose to bring a support spec along that buffs one of those to compensate. It would help the pick-up-group scene immensely.
Unfortunately AUG is mandatory for 5 man content along with 1 of the best 2 tanks [druid/DH], paladin is the best healer so that spotâs taken and then youâre left with the 2 most broken DPS which are fire>ShadowP>frost>Druid in that order
Every tank outside Bear/Dh feels horrible to play, DK is absolutely disgustingly bad and is the only tank that dies to melee hits.
Every healer outside Hpal needs external help and cannot deal with instant unavoidable spike damage thatâs prevalent in this season.
What a baffling mid-season this is where variety doesnât exist.
true, but if this fleshs out into a new role itself, them it isnt making a class mandatory, its a New role in the same sense as a Tank or a Healer, granted it can fill bad that 1 Specc Consumes a DPS Slot regardless as of current however.
hopefully the issue regarding measuring its performance will get some improvements too, i see Details have put a Estimate augs DPS in to attempt to give a rough idea in the meantime, but i doubt its accurate
while true, youâd also need to think of fourth speccs with support thematic, also, i think theres lots of missed concepts that need rectifying.