What's up with all the narcissism?

Simple this game is world of WARcraft so it is literally you against everyone else :smiley: it’s a WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR

thats what the design of the game promotes nowadays.

No need to make friends with people on your server because you might group up again together. Because now everything is across all servers and you will never ever meet the people you were rude to again anyway.

And the end game stuff like m+ promotes min maxing and elitism the higher you get. Because if you fail the timer you wasted your time entirely. So might as well leave or kick people if they cant perform, especially since they are random people you will never see again.

Same with ninjaing items, you just got grouped up with a bunch of randoms you got no connection to. Why would you give up free loot/gold.

The social part of the game has been watered down or straight up removed over the years. And the players change of mentality is fitting to how the game is supposed to be played now. People act different in classic and hardcore for a reason

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Going out of your way to be nice when you have it, is a waste of being invisible.

Off the top of your head, what are the first 3 things that you would do if you were granted the power of invisibility?

For me:

  1. Rob a bank.

  2. Steal government secrets.

  3. Spy on everyone.

Making good use of the power doesn’t make you a narcissist.

that is how modern gaming is these days .unless you are playing with friends ,this is what you will mostly get with randoms . a random person is just a stranger .just like in real life you will react differently to a stranger then what you will be doing with a friend.

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I don’t know if it’s worse. But it’s always been like this. And I wouldn’t call it narcissism. More like a total lack of patience and understanding. There are some nasty people out there and the only they can do is spread the nastiness. But what can you expect from people who don’t follow the basic rules which actually have consequences if you break them. So you can’t expect these people to follow the unwritten ones. There is a silver lining however. When the above mentioned people fall at the short end of the stick, they tend the cry the hardest.

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Why there is gearing catchup. Been the same forever, you have to do everything first time right to stay in a RAID group. Watched as players with the correct gear for the raid are kicked by high ilvl geared players from mythic because they are bottem on meters in dps but hitting their sim meters dps. Heroic raids are the worst for this, only mythic player alt runs. Curved or no invite after the first week of the new raid.

Deleting shadow priest will get rid of quite a lot of them. Every expansion, rework shadow priest. Even when they are doing decent or top.

I’ve just watched a video a couple days ago, USA vs EU.
Competitive individualism vs Collaborative / Cooperative solidarity.

Just an attempt…

  • I’m free to roll as I please.
  • I’m free to choose my teammates.
  • I’m free to take what I can.
  • I’m free to reserve items.
  • I’m free to define my rules.

versus

  • I’m free from nasty teammates.
  • I’m free from getting robbed.
  • I’m free from having to pass on reserved items.
  • I’m free from despotic people forcing their rules on me.

Of course it’s not binary, but you get the point. Freedom is ambiguous.

Thats why human rights laws have limits. Your freedoms only go as far as they dont infringe on other peoples human rights.

People should use the golden rule when dealing with other people.

The Golden Rule is the principle of treating others as one would want to be treated by them. It is sometimes called an ethics of reciprocity, meaning that you should reciprocate to others how you would like them to treat you (not necessarily how they actually treat you)

“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” is a biblical concept spoken by Jesus in Luke 6:31 and Matthew 7:12; it is commonly referred to as the “Golden Rule.”

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I started in TBC mid season 1, I don’t remember the community being like current day. Not one bit.

The game was more social back then.

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Not in SoD / vanilla. I’m pretty sure that you randomly get X-times to hack an ore. Sometimes two times, sometimes three or four, but rarely more than four times.
Same with fishing in schools.

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The game or the people? I am just as social in wow these days as i was back then. Still had ppl stealing my chest or herb/ore while i was trying to clear the mobs around it or ninjalooting back then. End of the day we all have had different experiences. Bad behaviour in online world is nothing new but we see it more today since there isnt the same reputation on your server to care about.

Time moved forward. People learned how to take advantage of the internet.
Those innocent times in the early internet days are gone. It’s not this game in particular, it’s everywhere.

I’m always unsure, is this racism or xenophobia?

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Narcissists crave admiration, validation and praise at almost any cost. None of what you listed would give them that. What you’re witnessing is just people with a goal in mind and selfishly going for it with little regard for others, and that doesn’t describe a narcissist.

There’s no fine line here, it straight up doesn’t have anything to do with narcissism.

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Both, but the game more so.

I know nowadays it’s convenience/norm but when you had a single raid difficulty, 2 dungeon difficulties with no timers and no LFG tool to quickly have access to playerpool (a bit like hookup apps if you think about it), people were more inclined to help each other out and stay even if you wiped once on a boss. And not instantly quit.

Rare were the times I had to leave because the team was awful and just could not progress no matter what.

And you are right about server reputation being way less meaningful than back then. Thanks to cross-server play, so you can add that to the list of things the game added and have both good and bad sides.

Are you ok mate ?
Some good points tho lol

So many times I wished we could force pvp on same-faction players so we can just kill them and camp them until they log off when playing back in the old days, lmao.

This is just false. They’d leave the raid and then form their own group, stealing your ID and clearing it and you can’t get any loot because they stole the ID. This happened twice to me personally, once in ZG and once in karazhan.

For it to be racism you need to state that your race is superior based on race. So no match there. Xenophobia only applies if there is no truth to the statement. The Telegraph were listing areas in England were people dont speak English. They even had a map of the areas.

Top 10 main languages other than English
Language Speakers
Polish 546000
Panjabi 273000
Urdu 269000
Bengali 221000
Gujarati 213000
Arabic 159000
French 147000
All other Chinese 141000
Portuguese 133000
Spanish 120000
Top 5 areas with the most non-English speakers
Local authority Non-English speakers
Newham 8.7
Brent 8
Tower Hamlets 8
Leicester 7.5
Ealing 7.2

See there is tower hamlets which is in London (I believe Newham, Brent etc are too). This is only 8 per cent but they state it only about one per cent normally. Then there are these statements.

But in a string of areas between 20 and 25 per cent of all families do not have anyone who regularly speaks the language while in others only the children do so.

In Newham, east London, often cited as the UK’s most ethnically diverse area, the rate was 8.7 per cent while in the boroughs of Brent and Tower Hamlets, also [in the capital], it stands at eight per cent, just ahead of Leicester where it is 7.5 per cent.

The analysis shows a clear link between an inability to speak English and [other social problems]. People with good spoken English are 35 per cent more likely to be in “good” health.

The Office for National Statistics said there was also evidence of a more rapid decline in health by age among people without a good command of English.

Hopefully you see were these views really come from. The news papers created them. They like to talk of no go areas as well, Tower Hamlets etc are given as examples. A third of people believe this Source https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-no-go-zones-muslim-sharia-law-third-poll-hope-not-hate-far-right-economic-inequality-a8588226.html Note 2018

This is such a scary take. ‘Poor quality people’ is both awful, and an extremely simplistic take on the importance of the socio-economic aspect of it.

I lived in poor neighbourhoods when I was a young woman, and the hospitality and generosity were unparallelled. I met some amazingly kind human beings there. High quality.

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I dont think the playerbase as such has changed. The difference is that in modern WoW, there are no consequences for behavior thats frowned upon, but not technically against the rules. Before cross server grouping, most servers would police itself for the most part. People who were bending the rules repeatedly were known serverwide, and at some point it was hard for those to get into guilds or even groups.

Now you are free to do as you please, as long as you are not breaking any rules. Theres always the next group waiting for you.

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All this is why I only do world content these days. I am older and slower these days and frankly when playing a game I enjoy I do not want my day ruined by being sworn at. I ignore you all.