The unwritten rules of common sense, team spirit, and respect are almost completely gone from this game.
Take this from someone who played WoW since the very first Vanilla launch in 2004.
It’s worse than ever.
All the ninjas
The selfish acts of kicking someone for personal gains and benefits, roll chance, etc.
The hard reserving of items and all kinds of tricks to secure personal loot.
Nonsense gear demands for super easy raids, and no understanding or patience for small mistakes or the fact that someone needs to do a raid to get the gear. No room for being helpful.
Needing on BoE when everyone else greeds, and then pretend that it’s raining.
Needing on BoE items in a 5-man pug, when everyone else greed correctly, justifying it with that everyone else is being carried.
Looting a chest while another player is busy fighting mobs guarding it, that had the ambition to claim the chest.
Hacking on ores that someone else already was hacking.
Spectating while a fellow faction player dies from fighting mobs, sometimes even to exploit the situation for their own, easy gains.
Kick players out of groups or raids without informing them about why they are being kicked.
And generally horrific attitude when being asked about examples like the above.
There is no compassion, common sense, or care for other players, and there is very little care for just being a nice guy.
I’m left speechless daily about how selfish people are in this game and the horrible behavior that so many show.
This tends to be worse during the day and the most active hours, but during late night it gets a lot better.
What is going on? Why is it so hard to use common sense and have a bit of compassion nowadays?
Once, a hunter pulled a proper ninja, needing and winning an item that was obviously a caster item and not even good for his class. The only caster in the group joined us just to try to get that specific item.
When I /w the hunter and asked why he did that and told him that he should give it to the caster, he replied; “Learn to live today”.
Is that it? Did people change so much? Are so many growing up in a way that makes them narcissistic today? Is this the new world, where we all should just stop caring for each other, stop caring about right and wrong, and just focus on stuffing our own pockets, in every way possible, even if it causes loss and misery for others?
I think it’s a fine line between.
I guess it all depends how often a person exploits others, causing them losses for own gains. If it’s simply how the person is on a daily basis, then it’s a narcissist.
If it’s a one off or doesn’t happen more than occasionally, and perhaps the person is very nice to others he knows, then I guess it’s not a diagnose.
I remember these things happening back in tbc (didnt play vanilla), so not really something new is it? Maybe happening more common these days. Best solution to most of that is to not pug but play with people you know.
This is frustrating indeed. The selfishness in random groups has risen to the point where my best advice is never group randomly. Which I think all the nice players already tackled; they went and found communities and guilds so they didn’t have to interact with the tosspots.
The end result is that in pug dungeons and raids expecially, the concentration of toxic selfish players has risen as everyone who didn’t want to interact with them moved on. An unfortunate situation, but mostly unfortunate for the jerks who now only have other jerks to play with, and who get kicked out of the communities that have codes of behaviour
This particular one has existed forever. Usually rogues stealthing past, looting the herb/ore/chest then disappearing while you’re still fighting the mob that was on top of it. Makes me wish guarding mobs had an AoE stomp so you could fight them on the thing and block other players ninjaing it.
This is harmless though! A number of players can loot the same ore before it disappears. This is even true of spawned herbs and ores that only last a minute; you can still loot them without taking it away from the person who put in the resource to spawn it. Don’t feel bad about looting a node someone else is already at.
Is this the case in classic versions aswell? Feels like some of the points were abt that at least (like needing in 5-mans, we dont have need/greed in dungeons in retail).
It feels that way at times, I can only agree. And it does seem more common than it used to be. I think it’s been a snowball effect, there are always the extremes of more selfish or uncaring people on one side, and more caring on the other. And then in the middle you have a group that may go by whatever seems to be the rules in this or that place.
And that rule in WoW these days seems to be: Care only about yourself, and perhaps those close to you. The rest are faceless strangers whom you don’t owe anything, and they’ll treat you the same way anyway. So better screw them over before they can do it to you! sorta thing.
It’s definitely not everyone. It’s a strange change from where we started tho. I still go by the ‘oldschool rule’ where you treat strangers like you would a friend.
I presume this is about Classic as some of that list doesn’t exist in Retail. Clearly some overlap too. In case you were looking for the Classic forums they can be found here:-
I will say that all that bad behaviour has been happening for years. I started back in TBC and most of the player base was absolutely awful to me as a new player. Modern WoW adapted to get rid of some of it but the same remains, there will always be some who don’t care and will do something if they can. Especially if they can do it without consequence. For example Group Loot was reintroduced into Retail and now people just need on everything regardless of whether or not they actually do need it, some will then sell it to the highest bidder etc thanks to cross realm trading.
The times I’ve read this from you, I’ve wondered where you started. Servers were very varied in what kind of people they generally attracted. I started PvE, went PvP for friends, and then RP-PvP. The PvP server I was on was a hellhole lol, I said goodbye to my friends after a month or three. I’m not disputing your experience, more sad for you that you didn’t start out on a friendlier server
Look on guild recruitment forums and find a guild, if you can’t raid at fixed times with a group of new friends then enjoy the toxic af meta you just described in PUGs.
My first realm was Dunemaul. It’s pretty dead these days compared to back then. It had to be merged with others. It was also a PvP realm. I had no idea what a PvP realm was ofc. The systems back then were not friendly towards being cooperative IMO not like today. Now we share tags, nodes, you can group with anyone without it meaning they are locked out of a heroic dungeon, so you get less cliques of people who can never play with others etc. Every time I go back on Classic I deal with all the antisocial behaviour from the old systems and I roll my eyes.
Years later I moved to Hellscream which was PvE and I had a much better time there. Made some great friends. That later also died population wise, as the playerbase shrunk and I made the decision to just go for a busy realm. And that’s how I ended up on Draenor.
People’s first experiences in wow vary so much. A friend met someone in Silithus when he was learning to play his warrior and she took him under her wing and taught him how to play. Meanwhile I just got abuse and was asked if I bought my account on eBay.
I was, and still am the world’s worst Warlock you have ever seen but that’s no excuse for how people treated me. I just played alone in the end. Ironically I do more now with others than I ever did in the early days.
Fortunately at some point during Wrath I gave up on trying to Warlock and after trying several classes settled on a Paladin. Never swapped again.
It is a miracle I persevered with Warcraft but I’m very glad I did.
Times have changed.
It used to be that you needed an organised group structure (guild) for harder content (raids particularly).
Now you need an organised group (guild or community) to engage with casual / fun group content (whether raiding or dungeons primarily M+).
Yeah that sounds very much like my PvP server at the time and the interactions between people there lol. And I agree, from that perspective the game is a great deal friendlier and cooperative these days compared to that
It is gone everywhere in the western world.
Not just in WoW. And the minority who has the empathy to recognize it and suffer from it wont change anything
there is also no more intelligent behaviour to reflect or improve. Every word or action taken towards anybody else is always something that gets u reported. Doesnt matter, when it is a kind one then it is reported for sarcasm
have you seen the new british piano guy video and the psychopath which was screaming?
yeah, that is public nowadays
(Regarding social behavior)
There is an explanation for that. In the most active hours you are going to encounter almost every single smelly, unwashed-since-last-easter, sheltered, rude, jobless or just generally socially unfit sad little nolifer that you can probably imagine.
Those of us who work mainly during the day and have other stuff to take care of outside of work, find very little time when it comes to playing games, let alone a time-sink such as WoW.
That time is usually nighttime.
Anyone who wasn’t homeschooled and/or sheltered since infantship all the way to their 30s, anyone who has encountered another human being or ever worked with one, anyone who has a shred of decency or even two brain cells to rub together, does NOT behave like that.
I don’t care how people react to my comment. I don’t care if I struck the nail on the head and pierced some nerve in the process. If they fire back, they’re only proving my point and besides, these aren’t the kinds of people I want to deal with anyway.
A number of players can loot the same ore before it disappears. This is even true of spawned herbs and ores that only last a minute; you can still loot them without taking it away from the person who put in the resource to spawn it. Don’t feel bad about looting a node someone else is already at.
