What's wrong with the PvE community?

But doesn’t the difficulty apply to the whole party and not individually? Where is the line? As long as the key owner doesn’t fail, the difficulty was fine or…? Would be weird.

First, you came to with

which is greeeeatly reveals what you are seeking. Later I thought no need to be so prejudiced but

shows how inexperienced you are but it is not over yet. Free M+15 carry request confessions continue with revealing your lack of theoretical knowledge about your class and the specific content you are intended to do with:

And yet this is why you declare him to be toxic? You can neither force others to play with you nor declare them to be toxic just because they kicked you after a short inspection. Their game, their time, their account, their key.

???

How in the earth PvP gear is BiS for M+? OMEGA BUR

All the things you typed on this topic seem selfish to me. You can only request from the community what you have already given to the community. What about playing 2v2 with 1.4 rating people to gear them rank 2 maybe 1? You won’t, will you?

You scratch my back first and I will massage your whole body.

Actual, the system is bad in this way. Another person can fail your key and leave it - their key level is the same but your key level is reduced.

You can play at level of 25 or even 30, but terrible pug can and will reduce your key to level 20 or 15 or 10. Probably not lower than 10 if you play at level 30. But, this is the reason key owners (who decide entry to the group) are so picky.

That’s not bad. If you can’t deal with having leavers, stop pugging.

Only the keyholder is punished though. Which is what creates the issues.

It’s like house sitting for a rich lawyer uncle where he says only one person will take the fall if the group misbehaves.

It’s great if isn’t you taking the fall and getting sued into oblivion.

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I am actually going to back Seluniel up here, albeit with maybe outdated evidence, even before Mythic content came out, the dungeon community was already beginning to turn extremely toxic. Any pugging I did, ended in WOTLK because the constant death threats, to me and members of my family, horrendous and personal barrages of comments made it a an anxiety fest even to try and gear up to do heroics.

I am a casual player, I haven’t put myself in a public group since WOTLK and the toon, (mage) I was trying to gear got mothballed.

Now I do purely solo questing, legacy content when I can do it solo or as a duo with my husband, and there is always something for us to do, check out my lovely fish hat as I contemplate getting my fishing shack to level 3 for example (grins)

Both yourselves and Seluniel’s post leads me to believe very little has changed since my previous experiences.

So if it isn’t the systems Blizzard has constructed, with punishments and time gates, what has motivated the hatred and toxicity for other players, even yourself whom I assume is quite a good player.

Certainly not someone like me who was a newbie just trying to do normal’s for gear upgrades?

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I already have. Pug is so stupid. It is like put 5 brainless monkey (yes, me included! LOL!) then have them build a bridge. It is not a hard task. But they will fail out of their ridiculous stupidity.

It looks like you have stopped to do prestige content as well. I do not blame you 0%, it is logical to give up.

Eh, my goal for the season was to get all teleports. I have all teleports now. Might go to 3k if I can be bothered.

Do not be bothered if you do not enjoy. Be bothered if you enjoy. You pay for this, not the other way around.

I’ve been kicked from a +12 for not playing destruction, quite recently. I have 3.2k rio and I’m 277 ilvl. I’m clearly too noob for +12 XD

It’s only the second time I’ve been removed from a group for not playing that spec

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Why will they kick a demonology? That is the silly choice. They should know your spec before inviting, to kick after invitation is rude.

PUG lyfe haha! They know best because they watch Youtube muppets, I guess.

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Not PvE’ing much doesn’t mean there is no experience. Some people need 1 year to learn something, others just 1 week. Who is the experienced one?

I agree, I overlooked crit being #1 (thought that was agi) on IcyVeins. Regardless, I am running versa → crit+mastery. So I might be not stacking them perfectly as required for M+ but that even proves my point, don’t you notice?
Not just that, even +16 was easy doable with meme specs and wrong gear.
Which was clear to me from the very start, due to my experience and knowledge :slight_smile:

Who and how did I declare to be toxic?

Did I ever claim otherwise?

Oh sheesh… if you only knew how many people I boosted… I mean you can see my M+ and raiding history lol… there was literally no benefit for me. I help people actually a lot, both PvE and PvP, that’s my end game content pretty much after achieving my goal. (which is just max pvp gear)

That’s what I pretty much do on my healers. On Friday I saw this Rogue sitting in queue for 40 minutes, he was struggling hard, you might notice it yourself:
https://check-pvp.fr/eu/Outland/Stovoz
We had one game where he did A LOT of stuff wrong and I took around 1 hour after this game and explained to him some basics. After this we played for around 1.5 hours and got him to almost 1.9k but dropped a bit and ended it there.
Feel free to contact him and ask him if that’s true :slight_smile: The name of my healer was Gon.

I liked it. The only thing I think is bad that is fully personal is that I would have wanted to see more Darth Vader. But that’s just me. Otherwise I think people overreact because they either had too high expectations, overall just hate on new things because they like the old stuff better or heard from someone on youtube that is was bad so now they also think it’s bad.

Torghast is garbage tier content though. Most people wouldn’t play it for fun, if it wasn’t tied to legendaries most people wouldn’t even do it.

If I had to pick between Torghast and working overtime on Saturday I’d work overtime, and I hate working and don’t need more money.

Blizzard chuck stuff in to make people do content they don’t find fun just so they will do it. Then people are upset they aren’t having fun in content that isn’t fun.

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I’d rather do Torghast than pick up a shift at work at the weekend, so would you. Don’t be so pathetically dramatic over a computer game, it’s weird.

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I have a very easy job and I get time and a half. I would pick up the shift.

My job is also walking distance from my house.

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Wait wait… let’s keep it real. How many hours and how many floors are we talking about? :^)

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Inb4 99% of devs somethingsomethingsomething 0.000000001% of player base