Amazingly, he didn’t mention Northwatch.
But lemme get this right. Ashenvale counts as fully night elf controlled despite 2 orc controlled forts in it, one of them in the dab centre of Ashenvale, while the Barrens does not count as fully orc controlled because the night elves are in one book said to control a border camp almost within Ashenvale itself.
Logic checks out.
on Draenor the orcs had full control over Nagrand, Gorgrond and Frostfire Ridge.
Highmaul existed in both the MU and AU; as did the Gorian Empire. There is also Telaar and Halaa.
Again, we return to the ogres - albeit this time they were slaves of the Gronn.
And here we again have the remnants of the Gorian Empire.
The orcs have a fuller control over Northern Barrens and Durotar than they did any part of Draenor until just before they invaded Azeroth - before then they were contested all over by draenei, by ogres, by gronn, by ogron, by saberon, by arakkoa and by the botani. Hell, the clans contested each other all the time too.
I want what the Horde has like what they gave the alliance the past 8 years. And for that the alliance must lose.
Same. I would love it if the Alliance actually got to regain some of their lost territory or take new territory. Say what you want about the Horde losing wars; they always won the peace in the end.
Peace is worthless when your whole leadership is gone.
The Alliance has lost more leaders than the Horde.
95% of the Horde’s OG leadership is still there.
No. New leaders don’t count. Only old ones. From the RTS games.
Of which they have only lost Cairne.
Vol’jin, Sylvanas too.
And on top of that all heroes from Warcraft 2.
Was in a bonus campaign that wasn’t even initially part of the game.
She wasn’t in the Horde, she isn’t dead and some Forsaken still honour her.
But according to yourself the Old Horde isn’t Thrall’s Horde, so these aren’t Horde. Also, very flawed argument - half of them betrayed the Horde.
all Horde is valid Horde. And every sleight is recorded.
You disagree with yourself.
Voljin is the Loa of Kings, guy literally became a God.
Sylvanas is still around, so no idea what you’re sniffing.
Erevien hates blood elves, thats why he wants “heroes of the Horde” back that burned down the thalassian forests looool
Yes, we know the Orcish Horde, Dark Horde, Fel Horde, Iron Horde, Fel Iron Horde, True Horde are just as evil as the New Horde and the blood elves.
Vol’jin is nothing until Blizzard digs him up again.
All other stuff is speculation.
In eternal purgatory.
I love blood elves. I just reject sharing my stuff with alliance scum.
Blizzard abused the Horde too many times as villain and it shows.
Could’ve fooled me with your wish to bring back the allies of the Amani Empire, the invaders of Eversong, and the slaughterers of the Thalassian elves.
Yes, thats how every hero and leader on both factions work.
Thats why we know jack about 99% of the cast until they suddenly appear again!
Cool, she’s still (un)alive tho 
Why are you mad about that? All those Hordes are what you want the Horde to be?
They’re villainous, pro-Fel (mostly), anti-blood elf, pro-murder, pro-might makes right, they love sucking off demons etc.
Make up your mind!
the alliance has night elves, high elves, void elves and humans. This is basically the best argument to convince the Amani that we have a bigger threat ahead.
I want the Alliance to feel what I did feel during BFA. Total defeat and all fun sucked out of the story.
Your entire posting history on the US forum is full of hatred of blood elves.
None of them live in Quel’Thalas, none of them have their capital on what the Amani consider to be sacred land. The Amani will always think the squatter elves to be the bigger threat ahead.
You yourself have ceaselessly argued that the Amani should retake Quel’Thalas.
It was all those races who are responsible for the downfall of pretty much all larger troll empires.