When will the alliance finally lose?

The Alliance have lost more major lore characters than the Horde has.

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Also more nations, factions, kingdoms, and zones!

the orcs have Durotar and nothing else. The humans have Kul Tiras, Stromgarde, Stormwind and Gilneas. This was never fair and you are a liar.

And Ashenvale, Barrens, Alterac Valley, Arathi Highlands, etc

night elf owened.

neutral.

contested since the dwarves started a war for control there.

Mag’har are not the main branch Orcs and it is also the original heartland of humanity.

Zandalar, but yeah they dont have an orcish counterpart.

But the orcish New Kargath doesn’t have an human counterpart either, so there’s that.

Hammerfall :slight_smile:

Orgrimmar.

Alterac.

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The nation of Alterac was dismantled by the alliance. The Frost Wolf Clan does not control the whole mountain.

Looks like dung and is a useless barracks not a real city.

Trust me I wouldn’t have cared if the place was abandoned too.

I feel like we will have more trolls then Orcs in the end. Tho losing ll of draenor twice was a hard blow we will not recover from.

Except for the parts under orcish/Horde control.

In case you forgot, the Horde still maintains their 3 forts in Ashenvale.

So… when the Alliance has a presence somewhere its neutral.

But when the Horde has a presence its not and doesn’t count?

Hardly, as per Cataclysm the Stormpike Clan lost and the area is (fully? mostly?) under Frostwolf control, maybe with a bit of Forsaken help.

Kul Tirans and Gilneans/worgen aren’t the main branch of humans.

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Splintertree Post and the Warsong Lumber Camp are still very much active and orc held.

Northern Barrens is Horde flagged territory - as is all secondary starting zones.

By the same logic Elwynn has been contested ever since the (dark) Horde started a war there.

Kul Tiras, Stromgarde and Gilneas are not the main branch of the (playable) humans. Your continued shifting of the goal post on both here and the US forums isn’t a good trait, my friend.

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Thus its Horde controlled, situated between 3 Horde capitals and a Horde friendly Steamwheedle Cartel.

It is still 100% a orcish city and capital of their nation.

Still a orcish city and capital of the mag’har orcs.

That fort all way on the western border is also active and orcish.

I am talking about land that the Orcs fully control. And the humans have more of that really.

But were still part of the original alliance. Mag’har were blood corrupted before the Horde was actually formed like we know it today.

I am soley talking lore control.

It was Alliance held according to EA Kalimdor.

In that case no one controls anything because the control of every zone is contested by anything from murlocs to quilboars.

The Grand Alliance of Stormwind is no more the Alliance of Lordaeron than the (new) Horde is the (old) Horde. And no, the Mag’har were never blood corrupted. If these kingdoms are the main line of humanity (despite not being so, as we play humans from Stormwind canonically) then so too are the Mag’har of the Horde since the Horde was formed by Mag’har.

Said control is sorely lacking in every zone for every race by your logic of “land fully controlled by ”.

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Night elves and humans control most of the land. That is a fact.

You keep telling yourself that, buddy.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Humans control a lot of land, sure, but none of that land is 100% fully controlled by them. Same with night elves. Orcs control a lot of land too, but that doesn’t count according to you.

By the same logic Stormwind doesn’t control Elwynn because their control over Elwynn is contested by brigands, kobolds, murlocs, gnolls, trolls, orcs and ogres.

I speak nothing but the truth at all time. I see my faction gets nothing by Blizzard so I try t oget their attention to change it.

If you speak the truth, where is the Alliance presence in the otherwise very Horde controlled Northern Barrens? You keep saying it’s not Horde controlled, but the game doesn’t agree with you.

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Watch him write Northwatch Keep.

Because forts dont count for the Horde (New Kargath, Ashenvale, etc) but do for the Alliance :stuck_out_tongue:

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Northwatch is not even in the Northern Barrens, that’s the best part.

the night elves took over Mor’shan rampart.