When will the alliance finally lose?

Wtf is this list? Proof that succession happens?

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Yes. And that is bad. Apart from Varian however the original alliance leaders are still in charge of their respective races here. Blizzard never forced you from cheering for anyone you didn’t know beforhand. That is also a sort of bias. I don’t want to root for new people I don’t care about I want to KEEP the veterans from the RTS time of the franchise. That would be right and fair.

Tyrande and Malfurion retired, Shandris is the new leader of the NE.
Greymane also retired, Tess is the new leader of the worgens.
Jaine is a “replacement” for Daelin Proudmoore (see I can do nonsense asawell)
Moira and the council are a replacement for Magni.

Need I go on?

Are on a vacation and will be back.

Same as the Nelves. Tess isn’t meant to be a permanent solution.

Magni just returned to normal. He could be king any time again if he asked for it.

No because you ignore the obvious yet again. Blizzard is out to make the Horde miserable that much is obvious.

Yeah. Nah. Erevien is just as unhinged there.

Durotan, Aggra, Nazgrel, Nazgrim, Gorgonna.

It’s almost like for every warlike orc you mentioned there’s half a dozen others that are much more like Thrall despite “not understanding orcs”.

3 of those are Frostwolves and they are infact NOT true Orcs.

What defines a “true orc”?

(it’s not like the orcs are a very culturally diverse people and the definition a “true orc” does not fit any one of the clans)

Aha ok, but somehow that doesn’t work for Sylvanas.

Wtf, he litearally said to Moira “it’s your time to lead”.

Dude why do I even bother with you. It’s the same double standard, you keep complaining how the Horde get mistreated because of X reason you are feeling at any given time and when someone points out that the same is happening to the Alliance you somehow see it as a non-issue. You just cannot function if you aren’t a victim.

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The Frostwolf Clan remain the only Orcs that never fell prey to the blood haze. Even Doomhammer had a hench of aggressivness when attacking the rest of the alliance too after the First War was over.

The Horde is the victim of the story. The Alliance is the grand hero that keeps saving the day. Did the two fakeout deaths of Magni and Khadgar not tell you clear enough which faction is favored by Blizzard?

Because they never drank Mannoroth’s blood, Orgrim did not either. Doomhammer’s aggression at the end of the First War was because he knew the survivors of Stormwind would rally the other human kingdoms and attack the orcs. It had nothing to do with any blood haze because Doomhammer wasn’t affected by it.

By the logic of “blood haze = true orc” Garrosh is not a true orc.

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No Erevien, but boy do you really want them to be.

He has mixed feeling on Garrosh, answers may vary depending on his mood.

The Horde got dunked down. The Alliance was praised. They never been equal and BFA made it all worse.

“I am the victim here, not you, I have suffered the most”

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Unless they start villain batting the blue leadership all your arguments have no meaning.

as usal, nothing new :upside_down_face:

Notice a certain pattern?
Its everry time the same.

The same agruments he use to complain only work for horde, if you like above use it for alliance to point out, its similar or worst on allaince side- nope, that dindt count suddenly.

and that runs like a red thread through his past.

If many people don’t want to debate with him anymore because he doesn’t want to, he’s right, even if you can just as easily blame the alliance for the same arguments he uses, but as I said, that doesn’t count, he insists on your point of view and doesn’t realize what a double standard that is.

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It happened to the alliance once. It happens to the Horde all the time. But you refuse to see that of course. The Horde was never meant to be the heroes. They are merley passive bystanders while the Alliance collects the glory like candy.

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Its same double standards from you people from alliance side too but the difference is you always group up and then go into personal attacks when you cant make someone think like you do. And then youre suprised when people get angry about it and fight back i find it funny

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Don’t wait for an explanation they only feel strong in groups. Like even if the evidence is clear as day they will also ignore it as hard as possible.

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mh…sure buddy, its not like we had an prime example above:

but keep on, defend erevien, who ignore his aguments and thinks he is still right, even when afcutly prven wrong.

personal attacks, which perosnal attack, we just agrue aginst hism and his fale viw on lore, his false arguments, people show him eveidne, and he dicart it, so natitly people start eiter ignore him or stamp him as a hopeless case who just doesn’t want to get it, and maybe get a little rougher in his tone.

But no one here has attacked him personally, unlike him, who likes to throw around “alliance scum”

Iconic it came from you who, liek above and everrytime else ignore evidence because it donst fit your narretiv

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