When will the alliance finally lose?

Go back to Horde.

Why? I like it here.

The New Alliance is the Old Alliance, itā€™s a direct continuation unlike the New Horde. Even if it is not the case Erevien counts all Horde as the Horde, so itā€™s merely his logic used against him.

The old Allianceā€™s have zero crimes committed, especially compared to the Old Horde.

This is about a broad look at the whole lore not who committet more war crimes.

Elisande was not Horde.

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She could have been without the villain bat like many other former or supposed t obe horde leaders.

Which crimes did the Alliance of Lordaeron commit?

That is not the point and also had nothing to do with thep revious argument.

That was literally the point of the comment I responded to?

I donā€™t agree they have crimes. But the intent was there. I think. But we can go back and forth the fact remains that Blizzard had bad intentions about the Horde from the start.

The intent to what, exactly? Because if we draw the line at that, boy, do I have some bad news for you when it comes to the Hordeā€™s legacy.

Jaina was willing to drown Orgrimmar and was stopped with force by Thrall. The alliance killed Rastakhan and hurt a neutral party who wasnā€™t involved in the war to that point. Jaina raciall purged all blood elves from Daalran. I can go on but Blizzard forgot these things happened so the alliance can keep its image clean.

Last time I checked all of those actions took place long after the Alliance of Lordaeron was re-organised into the Grand Alliance, with the discussion youā€™re barging into being about the crimes allegedly committed by the AoL and not the Grand Alliance.

Nope.

You have no idea what that means, do you?

Yes, but at the end she dindt, and you cant blame her since Horde had no problme nuking theramor previsuly, killing all people there in the proccs.

like Theramor was neutal in the preivcsly exmaple but still got nuked by the horde which dindt care.

not an act by the allioance, scecony we had dicuesss multiple thimes, since teh bloodevles betrayd dalaran first and only who fight back get killd, random bloodevls who get killd by jaina was a bug- confirmed by blizzard

What do you mean with that?

That Elisande was never going to be Horde and that she was not ā€œvillaine battedā€ because she was never good.

Elisande was the actual main leader of Suramar. And we met her AU version who was never a bad guy and escapes. Thalyssra is nothing but a filthy replacement.

Azshara was the actual main leader of everything.

She has always enforced the class system that we saw in Suramar that led to her people becoming weathered. Elisande also enforced the isolationism of Suramar, so no if she lived an did not join the Legion she would not have joined the Horde, she would still be living in the bubble of Suramar.

As much as I hate agreeing with Erevien, Theramore was not neutral when it was nuked. Theramoreā€™s armies actively partook in the Third (alliance x horde) War by launching invasions all over Kalimdor, including retaking Tiragarde Keep and landing in southern Durotar.

An AU it might be, but already there you see the Elisande who sided with the Legion ostensibly to ā€œprotect her peopleā€, but ultimately itā€™s for her own power.