Turalyon didn’t kill Doomhammer. He knocked him out and was taken prisoner. It was a dozen knights who killed Orgrim during the liberation of the camps.
Let me give you what actually happened:
" The Alliance fleet is closing in on the Horde ship. Talanji walks out onto the top of the deck and casts a mighty spell, summoning Rezan! The dinosaur then charges towards the Alliance fleet, mowing them down. As the ship moves closer towards the shores of Zandalar, the Zandalari fleet can be sighted in the distance and Talanji gives the signal for the fleet to open fire on the Alliance."
The Alliance will never lose because the Alliance are the good guys against the evil, imperialistic Horde’s warmachine.
The underdog as good guys is fine, soon the Alliance will get the Arathi Empire as allies and we’ll finally, after ten or more years, be on equal footing with those stinkin’ savage orcs and their colonizing murderers.
I haven’t seen Alliance being the underdog other than in vanilla and warcraft. Alliance has had all the power for loong time. Also about the “evil” both sides have done nasty things both sides have charachters that gone too far.
Also i wish the same that arathi empire will join Alliance it would cause the another conflict and this time it would be alliance starting it
You didn’t see the Horde invading, and conquering, large swathes of Ashenvale, Azshara, Gilneas, Hillsbrad, Western Plaguelands, and the Arathi Highlands (killing Galen Trollbane in the prpcess) and beating the Alliance in all those zones?
Or building massive fortifications in the Badlands, Blasted Lands, Swamp of Sorrows, Twilight Highlands?
Or in Battle for Azeroth where the Horde (again) invaded Ashenvale, but this time was so succesful they conquered Ashenvale and Darkshore entirelly, then proceeded to torch down Teldrassil, killing the majority of an entire Alliance faction?
Invade the Arathi Highlands, build a massive new fortress and strengthen Hammerfall, with the Alliance desperately holding on?
Or the Horde having the people and resources to build a massive fortress in Kul Tiras, while the Alliance squats in ruins and has a few tents on Zandalar?
Or Anduin outright admitting that they’ll have to conscript farmers to fight the Horde because they are losing?
Or Saurfang challenging Sylvanas to mak’gora because the entire Alliance with aid of the Horde Rebellion would not be able to fight the Horde foe much longer without losing?
You haven’t seen any of that? The only time the Alliance was topdog was whenever the Horde fractured under its own moral bankruptcy.
The Horde would’ve won the Second, Horde-Alliance, and Fourth Wars if they hadn’t gotten a rebellion within their own ranks everytime they were on the verge of winning.
alsow swoop between mop cara and Mop thrugh the barrens, break the blokade at mulgore and conquer all alliance strongholds, destroy northwatch and thereamore.
They are able to bild build large fortification in enemy land or behind enemy lines while the alliance have only mini fort who are already heavyl damaged or just a camp with few tents (badland for exampel)
Yeah but they always came out top and had a such long winning streak it was always known that point that some battles ofc horde wins but the alliance will pull away to victory.
Also Saurfang made a sacrifice cause he didnt wanna see more horde to die to another useless civil war it was the only way to spare the people, It was the whole point of his arc that he didnt wanna see his people to suffer anymore and fight sameway like he did his whole life.
Also the teldrassil was complete mess that shouldnt have ever happened but sametime night elfs got what they wanted out of that too even with the tragedy they won. Souls saved,They got an new city, Tyrande got his moral high ground. and cause of it even Sylvanas is in maw. Even the greatest tragedy encountered turns into victory
because it occurred to blizzard, oops we gave the horde a few too many victories so the alliance is so screwed and is as good as beaten, but they can’t do that because MMO with two factions and a horde victory means the extermination of the alliance - which they can’t do because it would make the alliance unplayable in the end and drive away paying costumers, so the alliance gets sudden and desu ex machina victories.
It’s not pretty either, but it wouldn’t be a problem if you treated both sides equally and didn’t favor the horde
I think youre giving too much credit how much playerbase loves alliance and how its success depends on it. If alliance was crushed and couple its leaders killed it wouldnt change a thing, just look at horde after so manytimes being villain batted and completly destroyed there is still people who care
Id be just fine if Jaina and vereesa got actual punishement or even acknowledged their own wrongdoings. atleast it would be the step for right direction
None of the Alliance “victories” are permanent either
Horde is still present in Ashenvale, Darkshore, Theramore and Southshore are still a Forsaken plague-filled and destroyed meess, Dalaran, Gilneas and Bel’amath are neutral, Hillsbrad is still Forsaken territory, Orgrimmar isn’t a smokin’ ruin, the southern Barrens is still Horde territory majority of night elves are still death.
Only “permanent” victory is Arathi Highlands, but thats obviously not depicted ingame.
I think you’re not understanding that the Alliance is the most popular, and most played, faction of the game. Majority of WoW players play Alliance, so genociding the Alliance would drive away the majority of customers.
A lot of Horde players actually want the villain bat, they want to be the “cool” Warcraft II Horde.
Also, every loss made the Horde stronger, they have taken in the Dark Horde, the True Horde, the Iron Horde and their technology! They got, and kept, conquered territory after every loss, else southern Silverpine, Hillsbrad, Azshara, Western Plaguelands and multiple fortressses in Ashenvale wouldn’t be Horde territory today.
Kael’thas never led the blood elves in WoW’s time, by that logic we could call Terenas Menethil II an original Alliance race leader.
Sylvanas isn’t death, she’s just not around at the moment but 100% sure she’ll return for Midnight!
Vol’jin is becoming the Loa of Kings, what Alliance character has turned into a god?
Anyway the Alliance took some losses too! Either to the neutrality bat or to a case of permadeath!
Such as Magni Bronzebeard, Brann Bronzebeard, Bolvar Fordragon. Varian Wrynn, Fandral Staghelm, Malfurion Stormrage (ok, until a Good War when he had to step in cuz his people were bieng genocided), Khadgar.
I think youre overpolarizing much, most horde minded people dont want to be the villain of the story, it isnt the reason people like horde. The reason people like horde is that they are different its an struggle with different ideologies banding together for survival. While the “heroic” alliance keeps pushing em every moment. Thrall’s horde wouldnt have formed if alliance was more passive reason every race banded together was cause of Alliance’s own sins.
I’m not going into the “Alliance is just as bad” discussion, because I find the notion frankly ridiculous, but on this point…
Why not, though? Why can’t the Horde be badass conquerers without being clear villains (especially considering their playerbase would probably very happy with being dark antiheroes)? That’s exactly the binary thinking that has plagued the faction conflict from the start. The Horde can be conquerers, without conquering Alliance land. There are a lot of NPC lands and folks out there to fight, with or without justification, and if the Horde starts conquering some centaur, gnoll, tuskarr, goblin or whatever group, the Alliance isn’t necessarily involved. And if the Alliance would decide to involve itself, it would be involved in a proxy war instead of a direct one, which would allow for a victor without destroying any player factions.
Because the horde didn’t get destroyed and didn’t face any consequences, like after SoO, they let the horde life,no reparations, no demilitarization, no leadership removed (just warchief qhole the rest wasent replaced) not even giving up conquered land from cata (like hillsbrand or Gilneas), same after bfa, heck the horde was even allowed to still hold conqueror land, after a freaking genocide.
Because conquering land that isn’t yours is downright bad, because its at the expense and one ethnic group that get killed or expelled and we see how great that went with the amani.
At the end you make yourself an even enemy and target.
…yes, and? Sorry, from a story perspective that only seems like another upside. Yes, conquerers make enemies, and at some point they might get in trouble for overextending. Sounds good to me.
The problem with the Horde is that there’s too many races that are too different from eachother culturally.
Like, the Alliance is pretty unified in what they want, even the night elves who are culturally the most different race in the faction, essentially want the same.
Maintain their borders, protect their Alliance, shared protection against common enemies, and ensuring the world remains liveable.
The Horde however has a few factions that want to maintain their borders but also be pretty isolationist, a faction that wants to protect the world, a faction or two that are one snapped twig away from becoming genocidal conquerors, and a faction thats’ one cult leader away from becoming a new Scourge and a faction that only sees $$ no matter the cost.
Ofc it is for the gameplay but there is lore implications in it too this is like splitting hairs. Also Varian died for an shock effect cause they wanted to go with a bang to Legion and then Voljin had to die cause uproar was too high that alliance lost their king and cult classic charachter and horde wasnt gonna lose anything.
