I’m not suggesting that they cater to everybody, so much as setting out to please a greater number of players in a game that has long attracted players for many different reasons.
There’s very little in the setting that I care about more than the various elven races, for instance - so I very much appreciate it when there’s more focus on the various elven races.
At the same time, I know that they can’t always focus on the elven races, so having stories that throw a meaningful bone at the other playable and non-playable races is a necessity.
The setting is more intriguing when the various playable races each have their own agenda and goals, bringing conflict within their own faction as well with their designated enemies/rivals.
Though we need developers who are not terminally online and do not allow real world events to cloud their judgement. Both WoW and FFXIV seem to have responded to certain real world events by trying to fill each game with the ‘power of friendship’ and ‘we are all equal’ tropes to an obnoxious degree even though it doesn’t make much sense in the context of the setting and does little to please those of us who can separate reality from fiction.
So… just a “do better”? I mean, I can’t imagine that they didn’t set out to please the greatest number of old and new players t any point. The tastes of players are quite hard to quantify accurately, though, especially if you’re not just looking to reach the current player base, but those who quit along the way, and those that might be interested to step in. If DF felt like them trying to be more like FF14 that would probably be because voices with large audiences from the WoW community told them that FF was so much better and more welcoming. I don’t really think we are where we are because the Warcraft devs are more married to some ideology than to player satisfaction numbers. I think we are where we are, because the devs are desperate to please what they think would be the greatest number of players and are willing to change what they did before in that effort. Just like the devs are doing in areas outide the story right now.
It’s just that not any change is good change and that people like Taliesn or that Twitter gnome actually don’t speak for everyone. I might be left behind here. You might be left behind here. We might have strong feelings about that. But I highly doubt we have a better idea what the “greater number” of players want than the devs, who will at least have some statistics… Incompetence notwithstanding, as discussed above.
I don’t necessarily disagree, but I don’t really think your focus on races adds anything. Plots are more intriguing, when characters, like real people, have plausible motivations that fit their background, and may lead to conflicting interests that can spiral into direct or indirect conflict. Races are helpful in as far as they provide characters with different backgrounds, but if that can be provided another was, that’s frankly just as fine. On the other hand, we are seeing what adding racial diversity without accounting for the differences their background should bring does right now. We get the love and peace of Dragonflight.
I mean, I would like to see more gnomes and much, much less elves around than I do now. But that’s not happening, and I wouldn’t recommend that as a dev priority, either. Especially when there are so many more important basics of good story-telling they are missing and shoud prioritize right now.
I just want to see the brutal side of wow back mainly cause there is very little of that being made any more as a story. Not saying it’s got to be blood and slaughter 24/7. Wow always had the occasional meme quest, but it went from being 1 out of 100 quest chains, to being every other questline being Avengers “witty” quip old meme hahaha so funny right guys hahaha.
Me too and I want Alliance for once become antagonist and slaughter thousands of horde in process. Nothing personal, but revenge stands and even if writing team (danuser) stick with this “let’s just all be friends” cr.p only a small minority people likes it
I don’t disagree, with the conflict part (though let the factions rest in peace, please, they only ever restricted the available conflicts), but it’s not that simple, either. Dragonflight might feel too cuddly, but the addons that brought Blizzard begging to their knees were SL, and to a lesser degree BfA. Both didn’t lack in brutality and truly dark stuff.
That’s just not enough, either. It’s not just one thing, and if it is… it might not be brutality, it might be roaring machismo.
For the story? I get that in other areas, but the idea that forcing the very disparate peoples of Azeroth into 2 powerblocks that can, for gameplay reasons, only ever grow more diverse, just seems ludicous to me. People seem to think that without 2 factions there can only be one faction, instead of quite a few factions with changing alliances, like would be realistic, when there are conflicts about different things.
Now, if the idea is that the devs aren’t capable enough to handle that, I might agree. If Dragonflight or addons with more “neutral” stories are anything to go by, they default to just creating one perspective on events, instead of two, treating everyone as part of one united world. But to be honest, if we assume the current level of writing quality, 2 perspectives are no more interesting than one. My enjoyment of BfA’s story certainly was more in ridiculing it than in taking it seriously.
So I’d assume our wishes should be under the premise that the writing can, in fact, get better, and in that case I really don’t see why anyone would insist on 2 factions.
Let me ask you. What are you thinking about pvp and in specific about battlegrounds.
Cause you know, removing faction conflict destroys the point of having at least 4 battlegrounds and those are the main ones. WSG, AB, AV and EOTS.
So if there is no faction conflict anymore. Why the hell we have battlegrounds? In this case they should just be deleted from the game and leave just arena’s.
Thing is, everything in WoW is connected to everything else. And no matter how they screw everything else, race, gamplay etc, they at least draw Battlegrounds as a core into the story. Now changing this faction conflict and making everyone friends is just stupid.
At east they did THAT part right.
No I don’t. But you can’t deny that this 4 Bgs and in some measure rest of Bg’s are deeply intertwined with WoW’s story - faction conflict. Without it, they should just delete bg’s and risk loosing what little of pvp community has left.
if you look at the lore as a whole, bg’s are a big part in it. With this cross faction this and that + let’s just all be friends trope, they have to delete bg’s because their existance is simply idiotic now lol
Depends on what you mean. I guess they often (though not always), tied new BGs into the concurrent lore, making them feel as if they might have been a part of the story. But they haven’t actually tied them into the world and the story since vanilla. There are no references to the great battle of the Isle of Conquest, there was nothing lost or gained in the Silvershard mines that ever influenced any plot. And with some of the BGs, like the Battle of Gilneas, it actually didn’t really fit at all as part of the ongoing story of the time. Not to mention that a lot of the BGs always only made sense during their addon at most…
As far as I can tell, any relation to the lore was pretty much cosmetic and one-direction only. I don’t exactly know if PvPers find that important… I certainly don’t. And I certainly wouldn’t want the story devs to keep the factions alive just for that.
It’s a part of wow lore. WSG is battle between Alliance and horde thief’s who want Ashenvale lumber. Tied in to core of Warcraft and two zones. Barrens and Ashenvale.
Same goes for Arathi Basin.
I have pulled out quickest example of why this best buddy’s system is bad. It brings more problems then it solves.
WoW was imagined and delivered with two factions in each other faces. Changing that in this dizneyzzard enviroment is bad. Sure. We fought each other for many reasons. Sure we got united when ever some bigger threat threaten us. And then when we deal with that wefight again because there is animosity between factions and races. Even now they are still here. Just burried in this new philosophy.
This problems didn’t disapear. No Night Elf will forget and forgive the horde for Teldrassil. No Human will forgive Orcs for sacking of SW. No Orc will forgive humans for enslaving them even, though, it was the only way. Only other way to deal with this savage race who came to Azeroth to enslave, kill, plunder etc is to kill them.
Humans picked rightful solution. At least it was better then death and genocide of whole race. Unforgivable for Orcs, sure. And that animosity didn’t disapear.
And so on and so on.
I don’t even understand why we have now WPvP. For what reason? For role playing? Well if that is all what WoW have left with then it is RIP World of Warcraft
Less and less every day. For two days now I didn’t found two horde players with Wpvp on. For Alliance it is even worse, ofc with a good reason. Faction unbalance and broken sharding.
I used to like it as you can see by my title: The Bloodthirsthy, not anymore. In fact. Today I turned wpvp off and not planning to turn it on again. Pointless
i’m glad the whole faction bullcrap is dead it was so stale base wow wc3 was about learning to put aside your difference and coming togather to defeat the big bad aka Archimonde then we go right back to Wc 1-2 in the mmo so stupid
now we just need to remove pvp all togather and it will be perfect
I had always hoped that Turalyon would ally with Genn and together they’d not only retake Gilneas, but also bring swift revenge to the forsaken by attacking Lordearon. Genn would do it for his son, Turalyon to return it to the living.
The Blood Elves could take issue with this, at which point I don’t doubt Genn and Turalyon would accuse them of betraying the Alliance years ago and drag them into the war too.
That’s the kind of story I wish we got.
By all accounts, there should be no possible reconciliation at this point. We’ve reached a point where there is too much bad blood. Too many people have have died, too many warcrimes committed.
The Alliance specifically, should have issues with peace. They got Theramore nuked, Gilneans ousted from their homeland, they were betrayed in Northrend by the Horde, attacked in Ashenvale and many other areas during Cataslysm, and then Teldrassil got burned down.
No night elf or worgen player would EVER want to ally with the horde. I hate every quest that forces my worgen to pretend his homeland didn’t get attacked with chemical weapons and warships and that his new home didn’t get burned down by the SAME people.
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i’m glad the whole faction bullcrap is dead it was so stale base wow wc3 was about learning to put aside your difference and coming togather to defeat the big bad aka Archimonde then we go right back to Wc 1-2 in the mmo so stupid
That would be cool, but from what I heared Gilneas will not be filled with forsaken but with demons and some other stuff which is stupid. Let’s kick forsaken out already and kill many of them for a change. After all they genocided and blighted it , and occupied what was not blighted. OUT WITH THE PEST!!
