Should I in turn remind you that people of Stormwind and other human tribes continuously gave zero damn about races and civilizations that natively lived in the lands they settled in expanding their domain as they saw fit leading ti basically every semi intelligent life form in EK hating their guts? Well except of Highborne who also settled on Amani’s sacred burial site. Not to proudest moment for elven kind.
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Isn’t this what practically every race did? Including the trolls. Or do I need to remind you of the joint Zandalari and Mogus invasion of Uldum? xD
At least the humans didn’t eradicate every species. The proof: there are still Gnolls (Alot) in Elwyns.
Not for the lack of trying. And frankly Neither did Orcs. After all enough people of Stormwind survived to rebuild after the second War.
As for the trolls they are frankly among the oldest races on Azeroth either Predating or being one if the first races born out of the Well of Eternity. Significantly predating races born from Curse of Flesh corrupting Titan’s creations. They usually took the territories before most other races began their existence. And actually defended them from agents of Old Gods.
Unironically the only race that did not push themselves into other’s territory were Taurens.
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At no point have humans attempted to exterminate the Gnolls. During the Gnoll Wars, they focused on eliminating their leader. When they dispersed, they did not initiate a campaign of genocide. The Gnolls continue to inhabit the same territory as humans.
Before the orcs managed to breach the Stormwind Wall, following the assassination of King Llane Wrynn at the hands of Garona, Anduin Lothar ordered the evacuation of the entire population using the Stormwind fleet.
They did not survive because the orcs allowed it, but because they began an exodus.
Let’s talk about races wiped out by orcs:
Ogron, magnaron, High Arakoa (the cursed Arakoa survived by hiding behind their shadow magic), Botani, and other primal races of Draenor, plus the ones I’m forgetting. And the Draenei didn’t survive because the orcs spared them; they had to go into hiding. The orcs’ goal was to eradicate every last one of them.
It was the predatory activity of the trolls on the humans who lived in caves that, together with the threat of the Amani in the north, caused the human tribes to unite, found their first fortress city (Stromgarde) and later fight alongside the elves.
Azeroth doesn’t belong to them. Humans, dwarves, and gnomes originate from a race older than the trolls and have the same right to inhabit Azeroth.
In fact, the trolls themselves emerged from the life created by the titans.
Baine is a traitor his opinion doesn’t matter.
All land is troll land. Titanforged deserve nothing and should be either killed or go back to Ulduar.
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Yes it is. And that’s the tea 
for today.
Isn’t this a bit disingenuous? I get you hate Orcs and the Horde (god forbid I hope not the players, though in Erevien’s case sure go hell on him) but wasn’t it fully defined that they weren’t really keen on them either? It is often mentioned several times that Draenor is not the most hospitable planet, and the Orcs were often the low rung in that heirarchal ladder.
It’s not like the Aarakoa were friendly. We see an entire questline regarding them to be rulers of the sun and sky, and were willing to destroy anything below them with beams of glass lasers. And in Tanaan, as shown in Lords of War: Kilrogg, the Bleeding Hollow Clan were afraid of everything in the jungle: the greatest being the Aarakoa to the point they threaded their entire jungle with alarms.
For the Breakers (Ogron, Magnaron, Ogres) etc weren’t very kind either. You might attribute Magnaron enslavement by the Blackrock Clan to fuel their Iron Horde but keep in mind these things were more than willing to crush and destroy anything in their path. The Ogron, as shown in Highmaul Raid are often destructive themselves and are not hospitable. If you have sources that show illogical argument as to why the Orcs shouldn’t have retaliated or fought back to y’know… stay alive against the bigger Breakers, do show me.
As for the Botani, they were remnants of Sporemound Botaan, of which they held the ideal to overpower all of Draenor with Life alongside Sporemound Zang and Naanu. The Breakers were a response to this overbearing amount, to stop an infestation of life as an edict by Aggramar.
In this, the Orcs also had to contend with them as the war that started between Grond and the Sporemounds have not even ended. It’s not like the Botani were kind in this regard.
The only part I agree with is the Draenei, yes. But even that needs to have context beyond ‘Orc Evil, Bruh’. Essentially, you can’t just ignore these things for punch value. It’s just false communication.
EDIT: For pre-text, don’t see this as me defending the Horde. It’s me attacking obvious evasion for the sake of argument.
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Not exactly. Trolls ruled the Azeroth long before Titan Constructs succumbed to Curse of Flesh and deformed shrunk Vrykul known as humans fled Northrend to settle in what’s now known as Eastern Kingdoms. They predate the shattering. If by your Logic Orcs are vile for conquering and taking territory from Humans and Elves the same can be said about Humans and Dwarves/Gnomes settling in on lands of Trolls. Ultimately Orcs were cut off from their Homeland and while from our morality their choice was wrong they somehow did manage to ally themselves with some native races.
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There is a very simple solution to decide who is the rightful owner to what land and that is to include the responsability to defend said land from other conquerors.
Using Quel’thalas as a scenario to explain what I mean.
Amani losing land to Elves means they are no longer the rightful owners of that land.
Elves losing land to the Scourge means they are no longer the rightful owners of that land.
Scourge losing land to a coaltion of elves and forsaken means they are no longer the rightful owners of that land.
Etc. etc.
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I can see the tears when Amani and blood elves finally settle their grudge.
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Hey I’m the last person (and that’s despite being a blood elf fan) to say Amani were not in the right. They were. As the nature of the conflicts usually go so we’re the Highborne as from my understanding there wasn’t another place they could “build” Sunwell. The only thing I’ll call outright wrong was what Zul’Jin did in his desperation by sacrificing and binding their Loa to the trolls which ultimately turned the Loa away from his people.
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I wanted to also point this out but I wasn’t 100% on it. Good to know it is actually the other way around.
As an additional fact about the Botani and Draenor:
Aggramar, Grond’s creator, was confident that the colossals would be able to destroy Botaan and bring balance to Draenor, and to aid them he crafted great discs inscribed with titan runes from the body of Grond and fused them to the colossals, creating armor that granted them strength and resilience. - Wowpedia on Botaan
So no, if we’re going all cosmic origins here, Orcs technically come from a lineage of Order. Interesting.
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Personally I don’t see defending ones homeland as morally evil, but I would say that because the Amani lost, they can now no longer call themselves the rightful rulers of the woodlands, only the parts of if they’ve managed to keep a grip on.
In some sense even Zul’jin’s evil which introduced the ‘abandonment of the gods’ trope for the amani was done from that core desire of reconquering their lost lands.
And the sunwell had to be build on a convergence of leylines yeah, I don’t think QT was the only place that was a fit on azeroth, but it was probably the only place that A) was accessible and B) the highborne knew about
I’m mostly a roleplayer so as a belf I very much appreciate the races that are their enemies, cause they add to my experience roleplaying as a blood elf if that makes sense.
Yes, but it is slightly different. There was no curse of flesh with the orcs, just a degeneration (or stabilization maybe) of genes of the colossals however just like humans they are he descendant of a ‘titanforged’ creature. Orcs are also very industrial, interesting considering their ancestoral enemies might as well be described as embodyments of nature.
I think we’ll be seeing an uneasy alliance if they go that route without truely burrying grudges forever, but who knows, maybe the campaign will end in grudges being burried permanently and amani joining the horde officially (it wouldn’t make sense at the start of the expac tho, after? depends on the story they’ll tell), a kind of ‘yeah but they’re better then the void’ type of alliance from both amani and blood elf perspectives.
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Enemy of my Enemy is my friend.
I love that as a story hook and trope. I hope they don’t ruin it by going too much into it too fast. I feel like this is something that should happen gradually, and it could prove a new tether of lore expansion.
In the Void they now have a common enemy.
The light?
Technically Loa worship is nature related.
Again what is preferable: a place full with 2 metre cows in two legs with 180kilo mass and armed OR some of thes cow’s without wepons.
But again horde have ni right to complain in that regard aince horse alao attacked pure civilians settlementike brenadam whi had no defence.
Or just blight southshore to oblivion.
The alliance dint know that, he did the corridor, thats a accommodation since he sint have to but decided ro.
Heck it even states that even hw coud have denied that and slaughter them all but decided against it.
Also, the tauren living ther next two 2 big quilboar hubs and haven be already aware of that danger.
Thia is wrong but i sont expecting horde players dealing with the kire.
As alliance player your tasked to go there and punish the pilliger, arrwsting ir milling them.
Oh and shall I also note how ofen the horde pillaged 
Ita barely tauren land since taure were nomadic and only settled after warcraft 3 -ao just 20 years, andyou have ghwre centaurs, Quillboars and harpsys who live there, eventually even longer.
Only after something happenen to him-ahall i remind you if your stancw towars sauerfang calling him a traitor and disgrace to the hirde onz still use him in your liat or arguments od horde loses because SUDDENLY he matters
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Because thw Old gold ans silithis/quirai had alao a LARGE claim towas the ild lans (Kalimdor)
inser the JohnTron : what? What the F** meme*
From where did THAT came from?
90% alliance losses are acepptable terms.