that girl writer on twitter did not anduin ;0
We will never get over it.
You can never even out a wrong with another wrong thing - no matter the side.
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We will get over it when all the alliance criminals who are responsible for:
Camp Taurajo
Purge of Dalaran
and the attack on Zuldazar
are brought to justice. Which means Jaina and Vereesa have to die by Horde hands. No peace no justice. Death to the alliance!
Those responsible for Theramore are all dead. Meanwhile vereesa and Jaina are running around scott free. This is peak alliance bias and alliance apologism. You disgust me.
Ashenvale has always been Night elf territory.
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Trolls might disagree with that given they evolved first.
https://youtu.be/wWGPMIZaKLg?t=189
A decent video on the topic.
As children of the titan constructs gone flesh, your point is obsolete.
Besides, Ashenvale has always been Dark troll territory, a.k.a Night elf territory by right, because Dark Trolls became Night elvesâŠ
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Did we really -need- another Alliance Pity thread? Stop making the faction that I play for 50% of the time look so damned pathetic will you 
But Coughs Let us address the matters raised, by all means.
No, that isnât the case. It was designed to deliver a -lethal- message for the Tauren to just lie back and get Colonised as Theramore built a great big road through their lands. As a reminder, Taurajo wasnât even in the way of that road, there was no military excuse, no matter what Christie Golde-sorry, Baine says.
This is pretty damning. In fact -very- damning. General Hawthorne seems like he was an honourable chap, he probably actually -did- want to minimise civilian casualties, he seems like that kinda guy.
âŠbutâŠ
He didnât sent in Theramore troops under his discipline, did he?
He sent in -Penal Troops- from Stormwindâs Stockades. NowâŠwithout going into the intricacies here, when you deploy penal troops, you have lost the moral high ground or any way to hold up your hands and go âIt wasnât us guvânor, we told them to play niceâ
Because Penal troops donât do that. They are a weapon of terror. These are very, very bad people, steeped in scum and villainy, who cannot obey the law, you never would send them in to fight a war of moderation, or a code of conduct. Once you unleash them you know that widespread civilian death is almost a definite factor, in fact you -know- that atrocities are going to happen, because that is the reason that most of these people were in prison in the -first place!-
Only two regimes that used penal troops in recent history were both led by people with moustaches who between them racked up about 30 million deaths.
You donât send them in and go âBut we didnât mean them to kill civilians!â (Which inevitably they did, and mutilated the dead) Thatâs like punching someone in the face and going âBut I didnât mean to hurt you!â
This said, Baine was half-right. It would have been a valuable staging post for a military intervention against the road being built through the barrens. Just it would have looked a bit less âwar-crimeyâ if Hawthorne had sent in regular troops. Given that we see that in every other regard he was a decent man, he was probably operating on a shoestring and had no choice but to use what he had.
Lets be fair, the bombing of the Druid School happened after Taurajo, as there wouldnât have been Theramore troops in Stonetalon (Which there are) if they hadnât already blazed a trail through the Barrens to get there. But yeah, that was definitely a War Crime also, no two ways about it.
ThatâŠisnât exactly how War Crimes are judged, you donât get to bank them up and trade them like in a collectible card game. But yeah, both were grim as heck.
Thatâs a trickier one. Rastakhan was strongly considering an Alliance with the Horde, but was not actually part of it. Ironically the actions of the Alliance ensured that the Zandalari were pushed firmly into the Horde camp. Not like Alliance has a history of doing that. Coughs Quelâthalas, Suramar⊠I swear, for a faction who have a race in it who have the racial âDiplomacyâ they are really bad at being diplomatic and realising how this worksâŠ
Brennadam is just ridiculous. It wasnât even originally the Horde who attacked, it was originally written as Quillboar, in accordance with -all the quests- that follow that chain in the zone. For some reason some bright spark at Blizz went âWe need to remind the Alliance players how evil the Horde is, lets rewrite this so that the Horde do it!â âDidnât they just nuke Teldrassil? I think people know how evil they are?â âYeah, but itâs players, they will have forgotten!â So for some reason the Horde attack a strategic and tactical town for no purpose whatsover. If you only play Horde you wouldnât even know that Brennadam happened, and it wouldnât follow the narrative, it would make no sense.
Even more hilariously, as in âHow far can we throw Horde story under the bus?â you then see the Horde working with the Quillboar as a result of that scenario. Because that is totally going to happen. The Horde, with the singular race of Azeroth who hates and loathes the Quillboar more than -anyone- else, suddenly are cool with them, presumably because they were still concussed from being hit with the Villain bat in the face too hard.
Meh, Theramore gets no sympathy, it was a belligerent military fortress at active war with the Horde, invading the territories of a Horde race. If it was lots of smaller bombs would that have been OK? Or were the Horde just supposed to not attack it in defence?
Teldrassil however was Sylvanas being Sylvanas, and a genocidal maniac with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Teldrassil was a War Crime, Theramore was not. However I am sure the Horde Loyalists and Alliance will both happily hold hands and sing songs of unity when we collectively get to destroy that wretched, badly written Joke of a Banshee.
Try questing as a Nightborne through Suramar 
"An Illusion, what are you hiding!? " âErr, nuffink mate, I live here and look like I live here, what are you even on about?â Old content is weird some timesâŠ
Yeah, and they are nutters.
Oh hells yes they haveâŠThey really have, and people still want him back, you can see it right now, in the recent threads here 
Just pointing out the irony of someone posting from a Gnome, when Gnomes and Dwarves have a quest in their starting zone that has them kill children. The only time the player character on either faction has ever specifically been ordered to kill children
Not true. Taurajo was kinda legit, just the troop types that were sent in were not legit for the job. Mutilation of POWâs, murder of unarmed soldiers, the whole Krystallnacht situation in Dalaran? There are plenty of legit Alliance atrocities to point out, just for some reason people always try to trivialise it by talking about Taurajo, which was a legit target.
In which case every Alliance player is a War Criminal who murders civilians? I mean you had to do that as part of the Purge of Dalaran. You attack them. They donât attack you.
Why no one takes you seriously. Is this some weird Forumception thing? A Meme posts a MemeâŠhas the internet become self awareâŠ
Bizarrely you just described the code of Honour of a real life nation that held to those ways for centuries, if not longer. So, I guess by some peopleâs definition of honour, yes, you are completely correct.
That didnât happen though. The nation of Quelâthalas left the Alliance of Lordaeron at the end of the Second War, and after Alliance aggression, joined the Horde. But then, the Alliance has got past form for attacking Neutral nations and driving them into the Horde, havenât they?
I think what weâre getting here is
âWhen will the Alliance get over what they did at Taurajo?â Because, like, no one was talking about it till you brought it up, unlike the weekly Night Elf Pity threadsâŠ
Get over it. The Horde playerbase mostly hasâŠ
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Iâm over Taurajo. Killing taurens, especially that human in a tauren skin, is fine by me.
Now sinking a Goblin refugee ship, a famously neutral race up until that part, that has just escaped from an island that was attacked by Deathwing?
Thatâs something Iâll never get over.
Basically, every action the alliance ends up doing gives the horde more allies.
If the alliance didnât siege Dazarâalor, the Zandalari trolls wouldnât have joined the horde so quickly.
If the alliance didnât attack the ship escaping from Kezan, the goblins wouldnât have joined the horde (or rather they wouldâve been sold as slaves to both factions)
You mentioned a few other examples as well, I believe.
Itâs honestly beautiful how badly written some of the stuff is. And people still get incredibly emotional about it.
Both sides are bad, both sides are good, both sides have done bad things, both sides have done good things.
Thereâs neither alliance favoritism nor horde favoritism in the grand scheme of things. Sure, some devs might like the horde or alliance more, but it doesnât show in the bigger picture. Both sides are filled with evil murder hobo psychopaths and pacisfistic heroes that only think about helping others. The story isnât about the alliance or the horde, itâs about the world of azeroth and its history in fighting the end of the world and the heroes who fight the end of the world going nuts, one by one, with some of them getting redemption arcs, some of them dying and most of them going full deus ex machina.
Now acting as if one side was better than the other is just silly. The world of warcraft began with Orcs vs Humans. Itâs based around conflict. Weâve been through years of conflict in the story. During said years of conflict, both sides have done horrible things to each other.
So my question towards the topic is: When will people get over their silly belief that one side is objectively better than the other?
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I love when someone says this 
âYoU HaD ARtHaS DoInG AlL ThIS StuFfâ
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I mean Sylvanas is hot af, there is no denying that, probably even a dark, twisted sexual fantasy of sorts. Mean, intelligent women are attractive, not the obedient puppies who want to be dominated by men we have in real life 
A woman that can beat my @ss is a woman of dreams, call me a simp, i hardly care.
You mean the guy that literally killed his own people in the Western plaguelands , Eastern plaguelands, Lordaeron, Stratholme, etc. killed his own father (the king of the Alliance of Lordaeron) officially making him a traitor.
His older sister (the Princess) ran away hiding in a muddy hole for 2 days without food or water, because otherwise she wouldâve been killed too.
Horde always cry for everything, never seen an alliance crying over anything on these forums 
And that Alliance isnât the same Alliance anymore, same thing than the Horde. Youâre doing double standards, âI will blame the crimes committed by Arthas and his former Alliance forces in his commands in the current Alliance, but the current Horde canât be blamed for what the Old Horde did, because iâm biased and my judgement is not fair.â
Also, Quelâthalas left that Alliance after the Second War, they donât have the right to claim they were âabandonedâ, not by a faction they left in the first place. And even if Quelâthalas didnât, who would help them? The Undead infested burning husk of what was left of Lordaeron? The ruined Stormwind under a civil war on the other side of the continent that couldnât help even their sister kingdom of Lordaeron? The trogg infested Gnomeregan with itâs people almost wiped by radiation? Ironforge maybe? Canât say they werenât doing their part in Warcraft III. Gilneas? Close their borders even to Lordaeron, ignoring their former allies, their negligence towards the people of Lordaeron costed their kingdom a few years later.
The Scourge was going to be victorious no matter the outcome, later on it took the entirety of the Horde, the Alliance, the Kirin Tor and the Argent Crusade to just stop it in Wrath, just to stop it, because itâs clear thereâs not a way to put an end to it.
1- " Non lethal " /facepalm
2 and 3 - Yes, and the commander that bombed the druid school got thrown down a cliff by none other than Garrosh himself for being dishonorable.
4- ??? Ashenvale was the night elves fault, not the horde⊠theyâre the one that cut supplies and started attacking the horde because a couple of twilight hammer cultists posed as horde members and killed some border guards.
What kind of stupid leadership cuts a treaty and backstabs an entire faction over some border guards⊠without even discussing or confirming what really happened with the other faction!?
5- So you sack a city, plunder it, and kill its king ( who by the way wasnât associated with the horde at the time ) because the horde destroyed a village 
Oh letâs not forget, the Kulâtirans hate the hordeâs guts and follow in proudmoores hate wagon, we are essentially mortal enemies with them.
6- Maybe read up on the lore.
The Alliance gathered military leaders in what was supposed to be a neutral town, in an effort to deploy an attack on the horde, the horde got intel on this and acted before the Alliance did.
Funny the Alliance LOVE to support Genn trying to assassinate Sylvannas in the middle of a peace treaty and against a world ending threat and justify it by saying she was up to something bad, but itâs not okay when the horde do the same.
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=)
Seems about right
yeee
Yeah but camp TaurajoâŠ
and sylvanas didnât? You know her plan was to literally kill as much as she could. horde and alliance alike right?
And donât bring up family in wow. half the people around here kill their family in a heart beat. sylvanas too.
Then you didnât pay attention to what i said.
I said we all have our monsters. We have sylvanas for example. Alliance had arthas for example. This statement wasnât made to make it seem like arthas is allianceâs fault and sylvanas isnât.
But, someone else, just like you, tried to cheese their way out of taking blame for arthas by saying the same thing youâre saying now. it was the old alliance. not the new alliance. So i rejected that idea. The thing is, iâm accepting the responsibility for my faction, while half the alliance responses are trying to avoid the blame.
As for Blood elves, play the warcraft 3 campaign again. after nearly being wiped from existence, they were nearly executed for treason. The reason being, accepting help on a suicide mission and not dying in the process. All of that while no one from the alliance, old or new, helped them. I think thatâs reason enough.
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We didnt tho. Thats the fun part. Brenndam was never part of the Horde story and no NPC ever talks about it etc. It wasnt even supposed to be the Horde attacking there but the Quillboar instead (that was the original plot and you can research it) and as such was never implemented into the Hordes storyline because it was not supposed to ever be a thing.
There are two sides.
Side 1: Stonetalon as it is in the game is not canon as it was never intended. The entire story was put in by accident. This story completely alters Garroshs character and as such got disregarded by Blizzard and stated to be an accident. Which caused alot of discussions as the people heavily favoured Stonetalon Garrosh over the mess we received in the end as it showed actual character development and him learning from the past (Saurfang in particular)
Side 2: The action on the Night Elf Druid School was not authorized by the Horde. Overlord Kromâgar acted without any authorization by any Horde Leader, yet alone Garrosh. He was also executed the moment the bombing happened by the Warchief himself. The Warchief also intended to kill the player for assisting Kromâgar but got saved because the Taurens told Garrosh what the player did. Causing Garrosh to show you, and only you, mercy.
Also screw Jaina. She literally threw a fit when the Kirin Tor sided with Khadgar against her and showed them her back despite it only being logical that the world works together to face the Legion (and given Jaina knew Aegwynn and in extention the whole face of the legion (not to mention WCIII) her behaving like that was utterly pathetic. Especially with it already being known that her slaughtering the Sunreavers was a plan set in motion by Garrosh)
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I sure would like to have Lordaeron back though. And Gilneas. And Theramore Isle. Already got Stormwind back once, hope I wonât be needing to get another version of it back. Stromgarde and Alterac Mountains would do nice.
And of course, Tolbarad.
Teldrassil would do nice too, and Darkshore - also Ashenvale. Gnomeregan would be nice I guess, but not on my personal priority list.
Eastern and Western Plaguelands would do really good too.
I would gladly have Liam Greymane back, since Sylvanas ainât no good at shooting arrows, and simply run away after killing a child, just to prepare a plague (you know, the plague? You know the plague.) assault on Gilneas, even though another whacky individual of the Horde had forbidden it.
And also yes, assaulting a Tauren camp was bad.