Where are the patch notes?

balance is still garbage, some classes are bad since start, a certain class is broken OP, some got ruined by nerfs and havent been fixed, some have had their interesting builds nerfed forcing to play garbage like sindragosa, did the devs quit?

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You’re playing paladin we have the least reason to cry right now

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paladin is my 1st character, that is why its in the forums, did main it in s3 last exp.

The next patch will be 11.0.7 and you can see what is being tested here:-

Unless you meant hotfixes?

Forcing to play sindragosa? I play just fine with oliterate build. Ofc i can imaging if u do keys like +15 i can imagine that sindragosa is better.

Found them.

  • Added additional bugs into the game
  • Fixed nothing
  • A new store mount will be available
  • Developers note: You may experience loss of items, currencies or achievement progress
  • For know issues please visit the WoW forums
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class balance changes, some classes got nerfed way too hard, some are being forced to play boring talents, others are being left borderline broke op

not + 15, it seems like at some 12~13, sindragosa becomes way to go.

Which spec can not do a +12 in time right now? Meanwhile, remember that +12 is too hard for most people anyway but certainly not because of class balance.

Was always like that. Will always be like that. You will never have perfect class balance. The moment you achieve perfect balance, the game will die because it will be boring.

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it just feels bad doing less damage than you could just because of class unless you play in a certain way that isnt available to many people, like mass pulls

also same people could do 12 with some classes and not with other just because of balance.

BUFF Shadow, thanks!

So what is the issue now? The class or the pulls?

That’s incorrect. There is not a single spec in the game right now that can’t do +12 solely because of balance. It’s just absolutely wrong.

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Every spec can time a 12.

Or are you saying a Main of class X cant time it on Alt Y? Yeah, its called Main and Alt for a reason mate. People are better at playing their main than playing their alt, more news at 5.

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some who cant do it on their mains could do it on their alts at same ilvl

So what? That just means they are terrible at their mains then in comparison. And those are the exception to begin with.

Mate, this isnt up for discussion whatsoever. Every spec, without exception, can time a 12.

Not to mention the vast majority of reasons for an untime is because people don’t kick or don’t use defensive or overpull because they “saw the pros do it” and then being flabbergasted for getting instagibbed.

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Irelevant point.
Your comment is as garbage as the class balance.

How is it irrelevant? As long as you can do 99% of the content successfully, it’s literally an indicator for good balance.
“Feeling” the class balance is bad, is what’s a stupid point.
If you only take a look at like 1% of top players in order to argue balance, it’s also non-sense. Simply because good players can execute what’s required on a spec to make it good, while average players won’t be able to, which will also result in the class being bad, even tho it’s not.

Try to argue with logic and reality, not with feelings.

So why is 12 your point ? Why not 10 cause the stuff stop there ? Why not 16 ?

You also dont mention the road to achieve the same things is absolutly not the same depending of the classes. Which make it either ridiculously easy for the 12 you use as exemple or sweaty with worse results. Again garbage.

I also dont care about the average player specually when we tlk about balance the game should always be balance around top and be accessible to others. Simple game design.

All I see is a fotm player defending his OP spec again without any brain usage. Always the same anyway :clown_face:

As I mentioned earlier, +12 is simply right now the end for the majority of players. So why would you bother about balance at +16 where 99,9% of players are not playing anyway?
It’s like worrying what’s happening in another universe that does not affect you at all. That’s stupid.

It was always like that. A Feral has to press much more than a DK and will most likely most of the time be below it in damage. But Feral provides other strengths that DK can not provide. When people speak about balance, they somehow talk only about DPS and nothing else. That’s not what balance means.

So what? That’s like with Rshamans and Discs. Best healers at the top of the top but in the hands of average player it’s a F tier class.
What is your point looking at the balance of classes at key levels which are not reality for 99% of players? For what? That’s absolutely useless.

Since when is Rdruid fotm? Because it appeared at MDI recently? lol

tbh, there will never be a thing called “balance” in any mmo

no, that means some classes are worse considering skill remains the same