Where does Shadowlands PVP rank?

Where do you think shadowlands PVP ranks compared to previous expansions?

For me, the main positives and also negatives are:

  1. Thank god that PvP gear has returned BUT item lvl difference is far too high.

  2. I enjoy the burst style of play and it definitely is very fun BUT there are a few specs and spells that are beyond a joke. One example is that paladin can do full damage within a bubble.

  3. LFG is dead and in 9.1 there aren’t even any RBG groups available. PvP participation is now at a critical low. This is now filled with 1k CR don’t queue unless 2.4K XP. Also, 1400/1600/1800 - selling arena boosts add me on discord etc people

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Gameplay wise:
For sure below MoP, Cata, WoD, Wrath, maybe on par with TBC. I think above legion and bfa at least because it was complete clown fest.

Gear-wise:
Worse than everything including classic which didnt even have a real pvp.

Player wise:
All time low, I dont remember having such hassle to find people for anything. Especially RBG, compare what is happening now with what was happening at the start of cata where RBGs were introduced. TBC classic isn’t better here either

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Tbh who as a casual player like to log on and before quing having to do dailies everyday into torgast and then spend x minutes to find people to play(same thing if you got multiple char) ?

I’m also so bored right now than when I log I want to insta log off

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This isn’t answering the question

You got it, worst xpac ever for sure.

Everything is so braindead and random and so tilting.

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Compared to what? According to Xunamate we have ~20k-30k games played every day, even tho many people are sitting on their current rating, waiting to gear up.

I agree LFG is trash, absolutely, but I can’t really think of any system which would solve the main issue, which is the mindset of the community.

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?? bfa had literally no useful pvp gear at all. literally.

in bfa rbgs were nonexistent. i think overall participation is pretty normal for a second season. just feels empty because season 1 was extremly populated because of pvers doing pvp.

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Shadowlands is better than BFA, better than Legion? Maybe.
Better than everything before Legion? nop

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Tell me you didn’t play in BfA without telling me.

At least in BFA if you had bad gear you were actually stronger

Also in Tbc right now unless you are 2.4k+ in 5s you won’t get full arena gear before season ends. Not even mentioning the BG grind for off pieces for 200+ hours.

Gearing right now is so chill and fast Idk why everyone is so mad about it. Ofc WoD/Mop would be better but this is not bad at all.

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Sad but true.

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legion was the worst xpac out of all 3s arena wise
coz it was insanely scripted/comp based coz of spec templates

but ofcourse players like you liked it the most coz u cud just do script over and over and eventually gain cr by grinding arena more than normal people able/want to.

but obviously anything before legion was even worse balance wise.

I truly don’t get it either. Gearing is so breeze right now.

Sorry not everyone here is glad and knows how to play every match perfectly.

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Mhmm what? It have nothing to do with that smh.

i cant make new friends all my arena partners died to covid

technically I would agree BUT

  1. since legendaries are so expensive that nobody can afford them, you also don’t need to run thorgast
  2. you don’t need to do dailies as they don’t give you anything special.

you would need to farm chests and rares if you want at one point some sockets but that isn’t probably the real problem.
No actually 9.1 isn’t that bad in terms of forced content.
I just dislike the vault and that you are never able to catch up with an alt because you missed a vault item. Needing to do rated content to unlock the vault is just terrible if you alt is ilvl 190 or something…
THat is my biggest gripe aside from rating gating obviously

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The gearing system ensures shadowlands rank at the absolute bottom. It has destroyed casual pvp and made me quit. It is not like class design is very good either.

If that’s the only issue, just ask, I am 100% certain people will help.