Where does Shadowlands PVP rank?

PVP Arenas
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In my opinion I would rank PvP Expansions

  1. Wrath
  2. Mop
  3. Cata
  4. Legion
  5. TBC
  6. WOD
  7. BFA/Shadowlands tied at last.
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Damn rng ccs before shadowlands?
Btw wasn’t WoD apparently the best PvP balanced expansion?

Oh ye Wrath… DKs p2w for PvE items and facerolling, I kinda remember that still ye :grin:

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On the bottom. 0/10. Nothing good about it. Nothing positive to say. All classes are equally boring. Winning feels the same as losing. It just sucks.

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Biggest problem for me is still that people in the same CR as me don’t want to play with my spec (blizzard fault) or because I don’t have 2.1k XP

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Wrath pvp was really horrible. PvE items were too OP

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You playing MM hunter? I mean it’s more than viable, especially right now. People just want an easier option and they always will, it’s not Blizzards fault at this point :slight_smile:

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I personally dislike that meta is a bit too stresfull on healers. Especially in LFG people kick you from group because they go full mongo LOSing you all the time without trading defensive cds typing before “HEAL RETARD”

Skill selection is pretty good thou (i disliked wod and legion pruning), there are some interesting plays and counterplays but its a bit too fast.

IN wotlk it was fast too but you could top dps in 2 casting heals (with a lot of haste so heals were fast) so actually mongo without cc wasnt really an option (unless you wanted to oom healer)

IMO
1.wotlk and MOP (cause i had fun and also good part of my life that time lol)
2.Cata,WOD
3.BC,shadowlands

Skipped bfa so cant say a thing.

Anyway we should talk more about seasons because in good expansions also were shi.t.ty seasons

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It’s not stressful, it’s just people refuse to communicate. DPS doesn’t know when to pop which CDs, healer doesn’t know which CDs to pop because he doesn’t know when the DPS is going to pop 'em… trinkets being overlapped and there you get the chaos.
This is easily fixed with at least a bit of communication in chat before the fight.

For example me playing DPS vs mage+rogue, I tell my healer that I am going to live the first combust on my own, so at least here we don’t overlap trinkets and CDs in general. People just need to communicate, that’s it.

Lucky you :slight_smile:

That’s interesting. People complain about PvE items in PvP, gear locked behind rating and P2W, yet everyone seems to like WotLK :slight_smile:

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There was no borrowed power in arena in tbc.

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Imo its flawed design.
Dps should use their cds when healer is in cc,cant cast is interupted etc not “use cds and be spam healed to survive enemys cds”. But just my idea (based on 16 years of wow experience).

Wotlk was cool because was fast but still left enough room for counterplay.
PVE gear was rng gated and as a caster you could stack enough haste anyway.

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This is very theoretical and depends on the comp but healers experience dps not using any cds, so they panic their cds and vise versa. The lack of communication is the only issue here and it’s common af.

WotLK PvP gear was locked behind rating, PvE items mattered a lot, DKs p2w PvE items and rolling their faces was actually a big thing.

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Yeah it was but overall requirments werent high (except weapons for casuals) also good skill allowed you to overcome gear gaps (which were lower than now) like hydra playing in furious gear season later and getting really high rating. Now even R1 players cant overcome gear difference (opinion based on streams i watched).

Dont get me wrong im not subbing to “wotlk great sl sh,it” train.
I think game now just could use some tuning and overall would be great

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So is not 1,8k rn and with rival gear it’s easy to get 2,1k, upgrade and keep climbing :slight_smile:

This is bs tho. It was proven wrong by several people, several classes and casuals like myself, late into S1. (you most likely just can’t do it within one session but that’s a different story.)

Well, that’s for sure, like every single expansion.

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Yeah you are right probably, i played with rl friends back then in stable team, everything seemed easier.

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Remove arena achievments besides rank 1 and improve LFG with more options - comps to choose. Allow players to do their things in LFG so they don’t just rethink their life during mindless waiting not being able to do anything.

Arena achievments create a lot of toxicity because a lot of boomers who hit 2400+ in Wrath don’t want to play with someone who never did it while technically they play at 1600 level now. If these achievments get removed then it will make it easier for many players and especially new players.

These two improvements already do a lot.

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People will always find a way to be elitist, removing achievments wont change it.
Like literally yesterday i was asked to leave group (in polite way so it was ok) because i didnt have rival weapon and only 229pvpil and it was clearly my fault as a healer that they as dh and ret couldnt score kills till late dampening

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Ehh players these days. Two days ago joined group that was Glad/R1 only, well, leader didn’t even have 1550 arena ach. You can imagine how did that went.

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what’s wrong with gear system?

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  1. Overall Gameplay
    Remove Covenants and Legendary Items you’d have the best pvp gameplay

  2. Gearing
    Gearing itself isn’t bad but combinining it with renown, legendary items and the rating lock out. It goes from “Good” to “One of the worst desigs”

  3. balance
    None existent

  4. Participation
    None existent

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Its rank based instead of just having a standard pvp set and then cosmetic elite. They did it perfectly in WoD, then they decided why do things right when you can just do it wrong instead and messed everything up. Because they wanted gear progression in PvP, which nobody wants.

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