Which characters do you expect to be 'right?'

The existence of northwatch hold was already a validation of their treaty since it’s crossed horde borders and was the major hub for Admiral proudmoores forces. Thrall was nice enough to overlook it for sometime. And yes. Grimtotem never joined the horde or supported their forces in any meaningful way. They used to live in thousand needles and Mulgore part times.

Your suggesting they made Northwatch after the treaty? that is wrong. Northwatch hold was made when Jaina ARRIVED in Kalimdor during the 3’rd war. Grim Totems were in with the Horde thick as thieves until Magatha got caught poisoning Garrosh’s weapon. The very fact she got close enough to do that says quite a lot.

Why does this matter to Jaina? I thought Theramore was ‘neutral’, right? :slight_smile: The Alliance/Horde conflict shouldn’t have mattered to Theramore.

When the Horde attacked Theramore and laid plans to conquer all of Kalimdor, Theramore couldn’t stay neutral…you know being in Kalimdor. Unless you want to claim Garrosh was a reasonable individual…by the way did i mention Jaina also helped Baine just before the Mana Bomb. Sounds like a true enemy of the Horde!

However we are getting off topic…so lets just say - from her point of view her actions are completely reasonable. I suppose saying that who is right will depend on who you ask!
It is funny though the Alliance has twice had a chance to end the Horde and didn’t take it.

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https://wow.gamepedia.com/Northwatch_Hold
Wrong. Daelin built that place and Tiragarde fortress too. It was later taken and still used by theramore after that incursion ended. Many orcs were vocal towards Thrall that he didn’t force Jaina to leave it empty. And the grimtotem always acted on their own beyond reach of Cairne and the other tribes. Magatha made6her separation from the horde visible from the start.

Wrong. Daelin built that place and Tiragarde fortress too. It was later taken and still used by theramore after that incursion ended. Many orcs were vocal towards Thrall that he didn’t force Jaina to leave it empty.

And so it was part of the peace made by Thrall and Jaina…you just said it yourself.

And the grimtotem always acted on their own beyond reach of Cairne and the other tribes. Magatha made her separation from the horde visible from the start.

I don’t think so, she was one of those instrumental for the forsaken being invited to the Horde…seems a lot of influence for someone keeping their distance. She was very much involved in Horde politics. An outsider perspective would see that as a supporter at the very least.

Retconned on chronicles

Rastakhan was a incompetent buffoon that ran his empire into the ground and don’t give me the whole the council lead him astray argument he has eyes don’t he or is he blind as well as stupid Rastakhan is a good example why living past your natural prime is a bad thing

if anything the alliance did the zandalari a favor by offing their old and unfit king

Ahahahaha! Seriously?

Oh my…right, I’m laughing , but out of the side of my face so as not to get banned by the Allia-sorry, Activision.

So, let me get this straight, Let me just try to get this straight.

The Theramore troops invade Mulgore. Kill a lot of people, as in, a lot. They use -PENAL- troops! Just going to emphasise that -PENAL- troops, in case anyone had missed the reference to a War Crime there.

They are doing some ‘Manifest Destiny’ shiz (Commonly accepted as a War Crime these days) by the Forcible dislocation of the civilian population (Oh, wait, wasn’t that a War Crime Garrosh was charged with?) .

But anyway, killing people and displacing settlements just so they can build a damned -road- through land that is not theirs?

So then Penal Troops and the associated atrocities that -always- go with Penal Troops. Shocker, who knew, if you use Criminals in War, they commit War Crimes…

Then. Then the War crimes committed by actual regular Alliance soldiery! Officers no less! They pull out a dudes eyes with their thumbs! I mean they do that. That’s…Not OK… They literally pulled a guys eyes out, with their fingers. Under Jaina Proudmoore’s Command, and this is Pre-Destruction of Theramore!

She was a Good person how?..

Purge of Dalaran trauma detected. Initialize comforting protocol. Awkward pat “There, there.”

I’m detecting “Horde always complain about Taurajo!” Umm, Horde are not complaining about Taurajo?" “Doesn’t matter, lets make it look like they were, it will deflect from what is being said!”

Bless yeh. Try some reading, and comprehension.

I think we are seeing the level of discourse of some of the Alliance Main Posters. Was it not comfortable so you had to make racist Memes?

It doesn’t mention Magatha being involved, doesn’t necessarily mean she was not involved.

Whacha talking about exactly? I made a joke on my own account.

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You probably need to revisit that then, as it does look pretty racist, just saying… I’d personally have another look at it.

Those are…cavemen.

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You’re boring me with those biased essays. I already listed reasons why I disagree with it and unlike Katherine Proudmoore he was actually personally trying to fix his mistakes and make amendmends. I’m sure he would be doing nice if he was given a chance.

I’d like to see you write as much passionate post about senile Katherine. But you won’t do it because she is blue right?

I more meant the stereotypical racist words used beforehand. Maybe its an English thing, but it does kind of symbolise taking the mickey out of African people… I mean it is a horrible thing, but it is a thing.

I took them from the commercial…

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Fair enough, but…still not cool. That Commercial is getting a lot of flak as well…Doesn’t make -you- a racist, but the commercial is kinda racist

At times like these, I am glad I am Slavic. Not to mention that you borderline accused me of racism.

how did he fix them he sold his blood line into slavery to the death loa so fixing it then he gave a arthas line to her that his taken care of everything like really more like screwed up more

Think you will find I -directly- said it -doesn’t make you racist-, but that the Advert itself, is.