Seriously? I am making racist memes by linking a commercial? In an effort to make a joke on my own account and relax the thread?
Did you not read the “It doesn’t make you racist, but the advert -is- racist” line?
I’m done. Just…do what you like and be as bad as you like to other people,
I also read
This is a literal accusation. Of me as a racist Alliance poster.
Yeah, sure. Have a nice day too. I suppose? What the hell.
I also googled this “scandal” the commercial has caused, and I can not find anything.
Are you legit lying to my face?
He was personally leading defences against each invasion. And he made a deal with Bwonsamdi. Guess what? Bwonsamdi used his powers to defend his city not once but twice already!
Darkspears already elevated Bwon to prime Loa just like Rastakhan did. Talanji isn’t cursed at all. Because all Zandalari go to Bwon after death anyway - overusage of death powers is dangerous but so far no harm is done to either Talanji or Zandalari.
You still didn’t say a word about Katherine? Come on, I’m waiting for you writing a desire to kill her off for being incompetent beyond any measure.
Just because Bwomsamdi is not praising the Light’s name and shining it like rainbows out of every orifice does not mean he’s immediately evil. Zandalari revere him as much as every other Loa.
Darkspear - and Trolls in general - see Death diffirently than a sudden panic button. In fear of futility for a probable link, look at the Auchenai.
3 Likes
Brigante.
Seriously.
What the ?
An advert of a snack being eaten by a caveman is now RACISM?
I REALLY want to hear your definition of racism because it looks to me like you just wanted here to cause some unnecessary drama.
It’s settled boys and girls. Cavemen are racist. Simple as that.
No bloody idea how but apparently they are!
You actually might want to rethink your statement because by throwing this word around in order to, I don’t know, “win” a forum discussion, then you are taking the word and its meaning rather too lightly, in my opinion.
By the way, you’re just hurtful at this stage.
Those evil Alliance posters!
So now “some” of us are RACIST because Brigante says so!
Because we all realize how fantastic and just and AWESOME some of the “Horde Main Posters” are!
Let me tell you something, but be warned: SPOILER ALERT!..
The kind of a video game character you post with does not determine what kind of a person you are.
Quite shocking.
5 Likes
actualy I would go for Baine being right, you se if I am correct, both Anduin and Sylvanas has done a major blunder already, though Sylvanas might realice it already, Anduin still thinks Alliance is winning the war, Where Baine wanted peace whit the Alliance, so if N´zoth and Azhara attacks, both Alliance and horde is in big trouble, and if this happens, Baine if still alive, will allign him self whit the Alliance for a greater good, but at same time Alliance and horde literaly loose the war so to speak, becuse none of them will have time win over the other to the fullest.
Baine is rigth due to him not following Sylvanas, and at same time making him and the Tauren most likely to be able to fight whit the alliance against the Naga, where the Forsaken and orcs might be in major problems.
1 Like
“Right” person/character will always want peace, not war. We can define if someone is good or not by looking at his actions. Leading forces to war to defeat demonic beings to keep azeroth in peace is considered a right way, but when one character leads an army to kill another army in far away land because they do not like them is considered bad.
1 Like
How can you tell this guy is totally bias and wrong.
-
Jaina used penal troops in Mulgore? Pre-Mana bomb? When?
-
Baine went to Jaina for help which he got. Sure he went to the person using penal troops to murder his people.
When Baine was forced to flee his homeland, he saw that the best course of action was to travel to Theramore and ask Jaina for help. The mage welcomed the young Chieftain with open arms and the isle soon became Baine’s meeting place.
Seems logical for a person attacking his people. Oh wait…no it doesn’t.
I know this for a fact because i HATED Jaina pre-Theramore bomb because she was just a goody two shoes. Yes she changed after the Mana bomb but up to that point she was Mary Poppins.
After the Wrathgate event in the sacking of the Undercity it was Jaina who stopped the Horde and alliance fighting right there and then. Seems like a stupid thing to do seeing Horde were at a huge disadvantage. Unless she actually wanted peace…i mean really demonic dreadlord Jaina and peace? Cmon.
Refusing to allow the Horde and the Alliance to descend into open war, Jaina stopped the Alliance army cold (literally) and teleported them back to Stormwind.
After this, Jaina secretly met with Warchief Thrall to garner an explanation for this blatant violation of their peace treaty agreement. Thrall explained that he did not authorize this attack and he has been given demands by King Varian to condemn the attack publicly, turn in all violators over to the Alliance for justice, and to show good faith that the Horde was willing to continue peaceful relations with the Alliance. Thrall was only willing to declare his intention to continue honoring the peace treaty but refused to publicly condemn the attack as rebuking the pragmatism of staying alive, even with violent measures which he disliked, when the Alliance purposely cut off all trade with them and are causing them much suffering would be too cruel an attack on his people’s identity. Nor was he willing to send violators over to the Alliance for judgment. Though Jaina understood the position Thrall was in, she none the less urged Thrall to find a way to meet the Alliance’s demands as his noncooperation was only pushing the Alliance and Horde to all out war.
Again she wanted peace? clearly a warmounger. She probably had those penal troops murdering Durotar and Thrall was cool with that too? He doesn’t seem to mention penal troops in Mulgore. So maybe he liked the penal troops and didn’t think they were worth mentioning or maybe they didn’t exist.
Following Deathwing’s demise Jaina became increasingly concerned with rising tensions between the Horde and the Alliance. Jaina later went to Tidefury Cove where she met with Thrall in secret, where she tried to convince him to do something about Garrosh, whose warmongering was pushing the Alliance and Horde to all out war.
More Evil Mary Poppins evidence right there…maybe she was just giving Thrall a booty call or something you know because she wanted war!
Errrm….At the risk of sounding like a cliché -that- is the soldiers General Hawthorne, a Theramore Officer admitted were sent to attack Taurajo. Who is the head of state of Theramore? Jaina. Did this happen prior to the destruction of Theramore? Well, quite evidently, yes. Jaina Proudmoore authorised the use of Penal Troops against Taurajo. That’s a thing. That happened. I mean General Hawthorne himself even says it was a horrible act, and sends the Alliance character in to put it right. Dress it how you like. It was a War Crime.
I’m not justifying…Look, I’ll just link you the mob.
Or would, if Blizzard were not ridiculous. Just look up Taurajo Looter, on Wowpedia, the one with the sources.
Sent by the Alliance, to fight for the Alliance, clearly listed as Penal troops, sent from Stormwind Stockades, but under the direct command of a Theramore General. Does it need to be any clearer?
That might be a cultural difference, or perhaps a generational one, but the ‘Caveman Speech’ used in that advert, was used to mock Black people when I was younger, to the extent that I was like “Whaaat! You can’t Do that!” It was Legitimately as offensive as the certain TV Show not allowed on anymore, or the Jam Labels not allowed anymore. It seriously has racist undertones. Not even undertones in fact, just -is- outright racist to people of a certain country and age. That’s what I was objecting to.
1 Like
You are welcome to explain this. I am dying to hear that particular explanation.
1 Like
That would be the…post directly above the one you just made, explaining why it was racist?
No, I understand that very well, thank you very much. What I do not understand is why you turned what is, at worst, an honest mistake, into a personal attack against both me and my in-game chosen faction.
1 Like
SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIOR HO!
Errrm….At the risk of sounding like a cliché -that- is the soldiers General Hawthorne, a Theramore Officer admitted were sent to attack Taurajo. Who is the head of state of Theramore? Jaina. Did this happen prior to the destruction of Theramore? Well, quite evidently, yes. Jaina Proudmoore authorised the use of Penal Troops against Taurajo. That’s a thing. That happened. I mean General Hawthorne himself even says it was a horrible act, and sends the Alliance character in to put it right. Dress it how you like. It was a War Crime.
This just shows your bias and ignorance. I play both sides and did the quests on both of them and there was no right or wrong.
Firstly Camp Taurajo isn’t in Mulgore, its in the Barrens. Secondly…
High Chieftain Baine Bloodhoof accepted that Camp Taurajo was a legitimate military target, as they did train hunters and warriors there, and knows that Hawthorne refused to have its civilians slaughtered
I like Brigante as he likes to set a double standard the very definition of bias …like the Horde weren’t responsible for Wrathgate being it was Forsaken who were part of the Horde, Orcs were responsible for the actrocities of the first two wars or mudering Dryads in Ashenvale.
However Jaina is responsible for Taurajo because they were her troops…even though it wasn’t a war crime anyway.
Well, I mean it was a Friday. I thought proclaiming the opposing faction as evil was what Fridays were for, I mean what is good for the goose is good for the gander, no? Or does it only work when Alliance get to slag off the Horde player base?
Not so funny the other way around is it?
The fact that you made an honest mistake but now get why it could have been seen as racist is groovy, and to be fair, if it had been someone on Team Red who had done the same, I would have been equally indignant. Perhaps it is an age thing. Its entirely possible, there are horrible, horrible terms that I used as a Kid that I now go “Jaysis that was bad, that was very bad” Equally there are terms that I used as a Kid that these days are -entirely- innocent and no longer carry any…nasty tones to them. The name for a baby Kangaroo for example. Back when I was a teenager that was a massive insult, now, most people born since just wouldn’t understand why or even register it as an insult.
It may simply have been a “Lost in Translation” thing. To me it seemed massively racist.
Oh Wow…You didn’t? You didn’t just genuinely use that phrase? You seriously did? without any sense of self awareness?
OK, I’ll try and explain it in really short and simple terms.
Racism isn’t Big and Clever.
Objecting to Racism -Is- Big and Clever.
In fact no, hang on. Lets explore this, as you brought up the term. So by calling me an SJW (I’d prefer to be a Social Justice Ranger to be honest, but fine)
You’re basically saying that I am a person who believes in equity of treatment for all, who is not Sexist, Racist, Homophobic, Transphobic, and that I believe in Just treatment for all, and also, that I have the Will and Determination to oppose those things, to Fight for them?
You know what, I’ll take that.
I mean, the alternative would mean that I was a Loner with no friends or interest in being part of a Social group, who nonetheless believes that people should be discriminated against, yet doesn’t care enough to do anything about it. Utter Nihilistic Apathy. We need to coin a catchy phrase for it to make it sound ridiculous.
Because it is. Ridiculous.
Yep, fair one, you got me there, it is the Barrens. Still Manifest Destiny and Building a road through Tauren lands.
You’re rather charmingly wrong, in a naïve way.
Wrathgate:
The Horde as a body politic, as it originally was written, were not. It was a Coup D’etat by Putress and Varimathras. If you had been playing at the time, you would remember the scenario that was playable back then. You got to mete out justice regardless of which side you played, and even to this day, the cinematic that -does- remain shows that both Horde and Alliance are attacked by Putress’ Treachery. That’s seriously like blaming the Alliance for Arthas.
-With- the new Retcon to make Sylvanas even more Super-Evil, it seems like she -did- know about it. Despite that not being supported in any of the WotLK quests. Sure, She knew. What are you saying, Sylvanas is a baddie who doesn’t tell her Allies what she is up to?
Shocker.
Errm, they definitely were responsible. Not sure where you get this distorted Idea that I said they weren’t? I mean I have never said that, and they definitely were.
“Ahem, have you a moment to read our holy bible ‘War Crimes’ in which we discover that the ruler of a people can be held accountable for War Crimes committed when they were on a different planet, and no one knew they existed, and they had no connection to them?”
I raise you Garrosh and say “Jaina: Present. Jaina: In Command. Jaina: Gave the Orders. Jaina: Would have had to authorise Penal Troops”
So heck yeah, by Azeroth’s reckoning of War Crimes, She’s responsible…
Use of Penal Troops when there is a present Civilian Population? Oh My Gods yes that is a War Crime. By the way, so is the Forced displacement of Population, which is what the Lucky Civilians got. The Ones the Penal Troops weren’t gutting so they could take their horns as trophies…
I don’t get your drift. First of all, I will tell you something. I was never this insulted in my entire life. Second of all, hear the situation from my perspective.
I go into this thread. I see another vitriolic Theramore discussion, the 5th one in as many days. I try to make a joke to defuse it. You reply with a tongue-in-cheek answer, questioning my reading comprehension and I take it as a joke, replying with the clip, saying
“Look, I am a caveman, that’s funny, I have no reading comprehension”.
You attack both me, and the Alliance, with an accusation of racism. You did not treat it like
“Hey, mate, I don’t know if you are aware, but this can be taken the wrong way.”
You reply with a direct accusation. Also, I remember us having quite a few positive interactions, and should someone check your profile, in your “Most liked by” tab, I am the third place.
Now, you also mentioned a scandal. I did my research, googled like a maniac, there was no scandal. This commercial was never condemned, or banned. I would like you to explain to me why you claimed there is a scandal, yet there is no trace of it on the internet.
I also asked like twenty people, some of which would have grounds to be insulted, according to you, whether the commercial is rude, no one said “yes”.
I believe I have outlined my argumentation perfectly plainly here. Please, answer my question.
Why did you attack me and my faction (instead of giving me the benefit of doubt) and why did you lie to me about the non-existing scandal? Further more, you are apparently the only person in existence to find this commercial insulting.
As an insulted party, I demand answers. The label you used is serious, and I am unwilling to let this slide.
2 Likes
I’m just going to ask some of my friends on FB who would have a grounds to be offended by that, if they were. I know of at least two who already said “Holy shiz! I missed that…that is…not cool” But as you asked, I will poll some more people.
You have failed to answer my other questions. Why did you level it as an accusation at both me and my faction, why isn’t there trace of a scandal on the internet?
These are serious questions which demand answers, as you insulted both me and the Blue Team of the forums.
3 Likes
I’ll do you a quid pro quo then. I’ll answer that, if you answer why it was acceptable and uncontested for an Alliance player to call me a National Socialist simply because I play Horde. Yes. Directly. A National Socialist from 1930’s-40’s Germany. Purely because I play Horde… No. “It wasn’t acceptable” is not enough. Nobody on Alliance said “Whoah, that’s out of line” In fact people joked about it. I tried pointing out that just the week before I had been on an Antifa march against the EDL, but apparently playing Horde means the black uniform, skulls on your caps and armbands. So where is the reciprocation there? I at least had the courtesy to explain -WHY- I found it Racist. So lets trade. Why do we both think it is acceptable?
I…fail to see how your argument makes any sense. I never called you so, nor did I endorse others doing it. I actually condemned it.
And the funny thing is, you are doing the exact same thing to me right now, although I never spoke like that.
2 Likes