Have fun Keento… 
Good luck o7
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Maybe I am a horde agent or something, but it just feels weird to know that alliance did not wanted to recognize their mistakes and crimes even, although horde was literally paying for the crimes twice at least by losing their warchiefs.
Maybe Jaina killing sunreavers was a bug, but I don’t know if blizzard actually confirmed that and changed cinematic. The fact was, Jaina was just playing generalisation game against sunreavers, although kinda makes sense to punish members who breached neutrality and joined the war pretty much, but this whole situation is kinda so so. The best solution for Jaina was probably take only sunreavers who actually participated in stealing the bell and giving recipe to mana bomb and imprison them until the diplomatic talks will be finished about that matter, blood elves anyways were regretting their deed.
But we weren’t part of your war…
We didn’t even knew there was a war…
And the old horde and current horde are the same?
Ig all the alliance can’t tell difference between old horde and current horde and igniting wars, so why horde should acknowledge old alliance vs current
dont ask me…the gnom or Void elfe accused you of that (and im to lazy to scroll dwon now 200 post)
so, i just uno reverse it since again the kills wre not intenaly, but a bug…but got ignored
and liek 5 or 6 ties we explaind jaina cant be accountable for it since it was not a realy crime , just punishing high treason and ensure the peace of dalaran with her authorthy as leader of dalarn.
ans she cant be accued by alliandce or horde law, since she neutarl, neither had both the right to juge them by their law.
from what i hear from mop remix, in the purge she dindt kill blood elves, seems like they fix it.
But better to see it with own eyes…
Finally Vulpera honesty?
Vulpera done more than trade. But was in service to the Horde.
Had the Vulpera not got involved they had nothing to worry about.
The Alliance came to Voldun to deal with the Horde. Vulpera put themselves in our way.
If that was true. Then why did Vulpera fight against the Alliance and for the Horde?
That seems to be clearly choosing a side.
Eitrigg and others remained from the Old Horde. Technically Rexxar rejoined the Horde from Battle for Azeroth.
So yes. There are still many more elements from the Horde that remain. Hence it is still the same Horde just different times.
You are comparing apples to Motorcycles.
The Alliance of Lordaeron are a different organisation.
High Exarch Yrel’s forces are technically Draenai. But her alternate Draenor forces are NOT part of the Alliance.
lol fair enough. Some Horde blame the Alliance for the NEUTRAL Jaina Proudmoore and Silver Covenenant with their “purge of Dalaran” bit.
Other Horde hold the Alliance responsible for the Maghar Orcs being militarily defeated by High Exarch Yrel.
That is assuming some Horde can be reasoned with.
Actions have consequences. Sometimes neutrality must fiercely be defended.
Our Blood Elf friend Ereboy has been calling for vengeance by the Horde for what happened to Rhastakhan. Ignoring that the Zandalari Trolls were not part of the Horde during the fall of Rhastakhan.
Haha i’ve always been honest. But I still wouldn’t call vulpera aggressors for taking up caravan work in a war they didn’t even know where happening. And we have been there done this several times over. The seventh legion struck the dunes from the blind side. Not even the horde knew they where there.
The entire Alliance side of the Vol’dun campaign is to set up operations and strike before your noticed. And ive said this already. And you deny it.
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Yes certain old members of the old horde remained but that horde was dismantled after the second war. Thralls horde was new and separate. The remnants of the old horde joined illidan and were lead by kargath
The point is that, yes Thralls Horde was different for a time, then you got some interesting picks for warchiefs that pretty much followed from where the old version left off. Ok so compare that to the Alliance, Alliance of Lordaeron was pretty moral with the only “bad thing” they did was sparing the orcs and putting them in summer camp, then you had Garithos who was not a representative of the Alliance, just someone who seized opportunity and now we have the current Alliance that has done some “bad” stuff but only in response to the Horde starting war after war.
Ok so we killed some desert vermin… Again you can blame the Horde for that. The two Vulpera in the thread keep arguing that the desert rats didn’t know there was a war, ok so why didn’t the Horde warn them, it’s literally in both parties interest. And the most important point not a single vulpera would have actually died by an Alliance hand if THE HORDE DIDN"T START THE WAR IN THE FIRST PLACE.
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Voljin thrall and the current horde are all this way. This is what the real horde is. Garrosh and sylvanass horde are the exception not the rule
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Vol’jin was warchief for 5 mins, and yes that sucks because I really liked him but he really didn’t do anything as warchief. And again your faction started 2 wars, you are literally tied with Gul’dans horde and arguably did more dmg than them (if we exclude Draenor).
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funnyly enought, the vulpera COUD know tehr is a war by the ashvane comapny in voldun since lorewirse tiragard sound was on human side the first zone qe quest an ashvane know about the war, also the kul tirans since taelia infom them during the asambly on the unity square.
“this is azerith and horde and alliance already wage war for it”
this was even human, condiderin the alternativ: exterminate them all like gilneas and kultiras wanted, who quit teh alliance after it was denyed (and im not sure why strom left the alliance, alteac was severly pusied by its betrayl and anexed by lordaeron…and also quel thalas quit the alliancem, since thy do therir compulsory part, and the old pact fullfiled, so the humand cant botehr tehm any longer with that, and tehy went isolist again.
The grand allaince only constit to this time only by lordearon and dalaran,
The denial is so sureal I know the horde did allot of evil… But holy crap the leangths you guys will go trough to deny any guilt or sin and the things you say while doing so really aint helping your case.
I thought Erevien was a special case of horde being evil denier. But encountering this many on the Alliance side of the fence as well. I really didn’t expect that.
I’ll just have to keep faith most alliance aren’t as borderline you know who as you lot are. And will say this much evil to justify their faction when just once or twice. They actually aren’t always the morally good guys.
Same horde with having only like few not much important characters from there? Did you know about people can change completely their views and allegiance after certain events, like rethink what they did? I kinda remember watching some lore cinematic from old wc2/3 times where Eitrigg went in some sort of exile and was not wanting to kill humans after the old horde was dismantled.
About lordeareon alliance being same/not same as great alliance, it is more like murky waters, someone would claim it is all the same, because muh Garithos and he was lead of the Alliance back in wc3, someone would say he was not tied with sw or other alliance members and stuff. In terms of actual game and lore, I don’t even know if alliance doesn’t recognize the difference between wc2 horde and current horde, it felt more like they were responding to war led by Garithos and then were avenging Sylvanah burning Teldrassil. And about horde not recognizing old alliance being different than current, I also dunno much, probably Thrall’s horde were more focused on their territories and undead were looking for conquest of hillsbrad and other adjacent lands
They joined Horde because of that I guess
And I already to adressed the starting wars point many many times 
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Ok give me 1 good reason for why the Horde didn’t tell the vulpera that there was a war going on. And that is if the vulpera actually didn’t know hat was going on. Why the hell wouldn’t you warn your transports that there are hostiles and they should probably take some precautions, you are first going to be saving a lot of lives by doing so and secondly you are going to be protecting your shipments.
Yeah we should’ve warned them the alliance will indiscriminately murder them
Not indiiscriminately. If they didn’t help the Horde the Alliance wouldn’t have touched them. If the Horde warned them about the war they could A) have planned better routes, set up diversions, set up defenses or B) chose to stay out of it entirely.
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You should actually do the campaign from the Horde side of the fence and you would of seen this your self.
It literally isn’t brought up… the entire campaign from the horde side is to deal with the Sethrak and the corrupted general’s ploy working with the Sethrak emperor… The 7th legion invasion of the Dunes came out of nowhere.
Like I am sorry but you ask me why the horde didn’t. Like we’re talking about real events and real people over here. But I didn’t write the lore… You might hate it… But this is how the lore was written.
Still you sound like a certain third reich… When you call us desert rats. and that murdering us is of no moral question at all. And even worse like how we’re less than human and worthy of life we sound too you somehow justifies murdering us.
Then somehow think of your self any way shape or form as better people than the Horde.
Like you have any idea how morally effed up you sound? And call your self the nobles later?