It does most of the time if you play both factions though.
And yet I laughed at you and I don’t even like Trump.
It does most of the time if you play both factions though.
And yet I laughed at you and I don’t even like Trump.
no it doesn’t, alliance had different npcs, sees absolutely different actions from horde on their perspective, horde npcs say stereotypical villain quotes, it’s not even like propaganda, it’s literally different take on things, i’d be fine if i recieved story from unreliable narrator, but i’m not, i literally participate in events.
Cool
That is the direction that Blizz devs have chosen. Horde still made choices. The burning of Teldrassil cause a shock among the Horde players as well.
It would be good if the Alliance was not so reactionary as well.
It is not about heir’s to Ironforge but about Dwarven rivalries.
Dark Irons have fought both the Bronzebeards and Wildhammers in several Dwarven wars. But now through marriage through Moira the Bronzebeards are ruling over the Dark Irons. When did the Dark Irons become vassals to the Bronzebeards?
They can’t help themselves.
What evidence do you have of this claim? You obsess about Moltensage as you mentioned that I “vanished”. If I stopped posting on the forums for 2 months. You would say: Oh Moltensage is back!
You prove my point correct by the way. That the same tactics is to brand someone an Ist / Ism / Phobic.
What specifcally was Ist and Phobic?
Do you have anything else besides ad hominems and trolling?
Sounds like Moltensage Derangement Syndrome at this point.
The Vulpera might have to put one of theirs to sleep.
The Horde chose to burn Teldrassil. The Horde chose to kill defenceless civilians.
Saurfang’s objections meant nothing. He watched Teldrassil burn.
Perhaps the Horde are not written as evil. But just true to themselves? Damn the consequences.
Invoking his name triggers people. Hence the reference from Harry Potter. He who must not be named. They say they don’t care but their responses proves otherwise.
What evidence do you have of this claim? You obsess about Moltensage as you mentioned that I “vanished”. If I stopped posting on the forums for 2 months. You would say: Oh Moltensage is back!
You prove my point correct by the way. That the same tactics is to brand someone an Ist / Ism / Phobic.
We where all there dude… You literally fought against the whole forum making a pretty impact when you first arrived against ‘‘Alphabet people’’ And you posted videos proving blacks where taking over america. xD like
I could go over my entire post history and find them all again… But you where banned. And Blizzard removed a whole lot of your posts… But we all remember it still.
Sounds like Moltensage Derangement Syndrome at this point.
The Vulpera might have to put one of theirs to sleep.
Typical racist… Dragging my whole race into it cause you can’t handle just wee little me.
no it doesn’t, alliance had different npcs, sees absolutely different actions from horde perspective, it’s not even like propaganda, it’s literally different take on things, i’d be fine if i recieved story from unreliable narrator, but i’m not, i literally participate in events.
Not really. I will yet again use the Taurajo example. As Horde you get told that Taurajo was sacked by Alliance, as Alliance you learn that was not the intended outcome and that the captain that issued the strike wanted the civilians evacuated, as Alliance you get told to go and capture and/or kill the insubordinate soldiers that sacked taurajo and after that the captain wants to go over and make amends, as Horde you get told to kill the captain that issued the strike on Taurajo and you do so on his way there. The NPC you kill is the NPC we take quests from. And as Horde you get only this part of the story :
Camp Taurajo is taken over by Alliance and civialians are killed
Do some stuff in between
Kill captain in charge of Alliance strike on Taurajo.
My point being that the two versions compliment each other and paint a complete picture of the events.
It is not about heir’s to Ironforge but about Dwarven rivalries.
Dark Irons have fought both the Bronzebeards and Wildhammers in several Dwarven wars. But now through marriage through Moira the Bronzebeards are ruling over the Dark Irons. When did the Dark Irons become vassals to the Bronzebeards?
There are 1 or 2 books along side multiple quests depicting how the war between DI and IF became an Alliance.
DI are not vassals to IF, the three clans united and are represented by the coucil of 3 hammers. Moira represents the DI, Muradin-IF and Kurdan-WH. Moira is considered a DI due to ther marriage to Dagran, but she is still the righful hair to IF, so when the time comes for Dagran JR to take the throne we will probably see a merge between the two clans, this has happened multiple times in history.
The only means of escape was into enemy territory where the civilians got slaughtered
Naah i won’t participate in this crap again, i’d better do something little more productive, imagine playing cataclysm from both faction pesrpective and still don’t get what people mean when they say that horde and alliance are written inconsistently, i won’t mention every single cata quest, i don’t want to explain that as blizzard openly stated they write dialogue and actions of both sides to antagonize players against each other, you need to be blind and delusional to not see this, this same circleadmiring goes for more than 10 years, it’s embarassing.
Ciao
We where all there dude… You literally fought against the whole forum making a pretty impact when you first arrived against ‘‘Alphabet people’’ And you posted videos proving blacks where taking over america. xD like
I need to get some popcorn when I read your posts. You claim that Black people taking over America? There are many Black Americans in government. Make sense.
How is that going to happen? Forum posts are archived.
I could go over my entire post history and find them all again… But you where banned. And Blizzard removed a whole lot of your posts… But we all remember it still.
More head cannon. Why not add some spice to it. Moltensage is a moustache twirling villain that eats Vulpera babies.
Typical racist… Dragging my whole race into it cause you can’t handle just wee little me.
Putting a few crazies to sleep is not a bad thing.
A lot of Horde dislike the Vulpera. Many Vulpera know this.
so when the time comes for Dagran JR to take the throne we will probably see a merge between the two clans, this has happened multiple times in history.
There is too much history with the 1 v 2. Dark Irons vs Bronzebeards and Wildhammers. A half blood Dark Iron is not going to be embraced. Just as you see some rejecting half Elves.
Dark Irons have always ruled over and led Dark Irons. Moira will always be a Bronzebeard.
This is why this argument is constantly raging and no side will ever win. Unless you twist facts and ignore lore
I need to get some popcorn when I read your posts. You claim that Black people taking over America? There are many Black Americans in government. Make sense.
How is that going to happen? Forum posts are archived.
Lmao xD Well then… Although you wont admit it… I will just have to take these replies as a full denial and as if your against everything you said before then.
More head cannon. Why not add some spice to it. Moltensage is a moustache twirling villain that eats Vulpera babies.
I’ll leave the head cannoning too you Molten… And we have been here done this before. And I have already told you i am tired of opening up your packages …Even if they have a different wrapping.
Putting a few crazies to sleep is not a bad thing.
A lot of Horde dislike the Vulpera. Many Vulpera know this.
Oh I am very aware allot of horde are racist towards Vulpera… Duh-doy You really thought you had too tell me this?
Molten I’ve been aware since our races inception… and Ive lived with it this entire time.
Lmao xD Well then… Although you wont admit it… I will just have to take these replies as a full denial and as if your against everything you said before then.
You do not produce the evidence.
Your statements and posts is similar to: Why do you beat your partner?
Then without evidence of said claim try to force the accused to defend against it.
What evidence is there to Skullfox allegations of “Black people taking over America”?
Black Americans are just as American as everyone else. Why single out Black Americans?
Oh I am very aware allot of horde are racist towards Vulpera… Duh-doy You really thought you had too tell me this?
Vulpera have been trying to prove themselves to the Horde. There were several “Vulpera appreciation” threads. Kirio is your leader right? Perhaps he should raise this matter to the Horde Council.
Why single out Black Americans?
Uhm okay?
You do not produce the evidence.
Your statements and posts is similar to: Why do you beat your partner?
Then without evidence of said claim try to force the accused to defend against it.
What evidence is there to Skullfox allegations of “Black people taking over America”?
Black Americans are just as American as everyone else. Why single out Black Americans?
Oh okey… thats convinient… ‘‘I do not produce the evidence’’ Not like we werent all there and saw it anyway… So you deny this ever having happen and you call me a liar?
Vulpera have been trying to prove themselves to the Horde. There were several “Vulpera appreciation” threads. Kirio is your leader right? Perhaps he should raise this matter to the Horde Council.
Too be fair its always been the same guys who made those threads… Its either Twili or Kentaroo… Both of witch aren’t lore characters Molten? …they are forum posters… What they do are not apart of the lore… I am sorry I have to tell you this…
but Twili and Kentarro are not cannon.
Your lucky Blizzard has deleted all your homophobic and racist posts and I cannot draw any links up…
But I will still rely on the fact that most of us saw it back then…
after a long day of absence and playing cata classic as of recent, oh my, what happened here, tbh I am also lost in this debate. From all of this looks like horde actually angels and alliance are just villains. I miss the actual faction pride, and for alliance I really wish if they had their pride by being actually good guys and not “pretending” so while doing some shady stuff here and there in hidden corner while no one sees.
Uhm okay?
Are you going to overlook Skullfox posts?
He/She has been talking about Black Americans taking over America for several posts now. Unless it is edited or removed.
Oh okey… thats convinient… ‘‘I do not produce the evidence’’ Not like we werent all there and saw it anyway… So you deny this ever having happen and you call me a liar?
Olympic level mental gymnastics. Prove there are evidence of your allegations.
Slander and Defamation of character exists to protect people from false accusers.
So. Where is the evidence. Saying that “we were all there” is not evidence.
It is more revealing of your own dislike of Black Americans being in positions of rulership or governing. The colour of their skin is not what makes them able to take office.
You use the term “racist” but do not see your own. The colour of their skin should not qualify or disqualify a person from office.
Your lucky Blizzard has deleted all your homophobic and racist posts and I cannot draw any links up…
But I will still rely on the fact that most of us saw it back then…
So you are saying there is no evidence of your baseless slander?
Amber Heard also falsely accused Johnny Depp and was sued for defamation.
Skullfox is evidence of two-tiered moderation. Blizzard mods will probably overlook your ad hominems - false accusations of racism & homophobia and personal attacks. Terms of service are selectively enforced.
Fair enough So you deny ever having said any of the things you did before…
I suppose you are a full supporter of inclusvitity and black representation in our game then?
Moltensage the rainbow ally and representative then? Of course?
if not? whats your new and refined stance on things?
. From all of this looks like horde actually angels and alliance are just villains. I miss the actual faction pride, and for alliance I really wish if they had their pride by being actually good guys and not “pretending” so, meanwhile doing some shady stuff here and there in hidden corner while no one sees
Meanwhile yesterday
Then we might have come to the point of more clarity. It seems to be that compared to the horde deeds, the alliance had fewer points where they were acting bad (if follow the actual events in the game and lore). And also it seems to be that only crimes the alliance did not acknowledged are probably about vulpera caravans and Garithos situation is kinda murky waters, but it would be better if alliance actually called off for that after wow vanilla events started, something like the king decided to do redemption act towards the high/blood elves for the Garithos’s actions, like sending help to rebuild their city and just trying to show that something Garithos did would never happen again.
After all, seems to be that I was also misunderstanding some facts and lore points, I did not watch all the cinematics and did not know some parts of the story.
Ah the self-contradicting one left the forums but it seems we are in no need to wait for a replacement.
Fair enough
So you deny ever having said any of the things you did before…
I suppose you are a full supporter of inclusvitity and black representation in our game then?
It must be nice. To know that Blizzards Terms of Service does not apply to you.
There have always been black people in gaming. So your targeted discrimination against black people being leaders in America. Is not something you can really mask then.
There should be an explanaition. Where did the black humans in game come from? Other than DEI and ESG?
Ethnically homogenous people in games is not a bad thing. Such as the Witcher franchise. Skin color and ethnicity is not what makes the people and characters appealing.
The reader can see Skullfox for what you are.
It’s like saying: So you deny you beat up your partner?
After failing to provide any evidence of partner abuse.
You should prove with evidence your accusations to be true.